Moggy,
Brilliant piece of historical archaeology!!
BUT – see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Barrage_balloons_over_London_during_World_War_II.jpg.
These balloons are very different from the balloon(s) on LST 422. The “fins” on the ones in UK were inflatable (and as I remember them from WW2). The 422 “fins” seem rigid and non-inflatable. Were these balloons a later marque designed to reduce the amount of hydrogen used? (Production of hydrogen ‘in the field’ is a VERY DODGY business!!! – been there, done it!!!). Not much Mr Google can tell me about it (but I’ve only skimmed!).
HTH
Resmoroh
Mickey’s prices are clearly decimal, but in the dim (and very distant past, when I was at RAF Mildenhall) the dollar was at 2.40 to the pound – thus 1 US cent = 1 UK (pre-decimal) penny. Most of the shops, pubs, etc, around Mildenhall and Lakenheath in them days would then take either currency.
But the best, on this subject, was on one vast NATO exercise. I can’t remember if it was in Denmark, Netherlands, or Germany. But there was either the local “Bratty Bar” (similar to MIckey’s) or the national equivalent of the NAAFI/WRVS. They would take payment in a wide variety of currencies, and ask you (in several different languages) what currency you wanted your change in!! All this was done in their heads (but to what actual accuracy is not known!!) whilst “Bratty & Chips”, or “Char & Wads”, was being prepared!!
But on Ex Square Hole in Malaya you could tell where “The Enemy” were expected to land (by sea, or parachute) by the number of food-selling wagons clustered thereby. We – the defending forces – had been forbidden by the Ex Planners from knowing the Enemies landing sites. But the smell of curry puffs on sale in the middle of the jungle soon gave the game away!!!!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
Trenchardbrat,
Was there at the time.
Best bet is that you start from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Black_Buck) and work from there. The thing that made us (Met men there at the time) fall about was that all these calculations of fuel-flow/temp/consumption, etc, etc, were carried out on a calculator bought – so current scuttlebutt has it – on Swaffham Market for pence!!
Makes it more probable that WE didn’t win the Falklands Unpleasantness, THEY lost it, because THEY made more/bigger mistakes than WE did! Or is that not British???
Resmoroh
Usual tale. Politicos and journos getting their knickers in a twist because some properly constituted authority is not doing something the way the Ps & Js think it should be done! Ross has chucked a good bucket of cold water over the lot. Shut up, and wait.
HTH – but I know it won’t (Hee Hee!)
Resmoroh
powerandpassion, Hi,
Like that post! Better than a lot!
I, too, at an early age read that book, but it was not until I’d been through Nat Svc, and seen people I knew killed in air accidents, that I was able to place the book in its context. Pape (if he did) was not the only one who feigned mental illness to get a PoW early/exchange repat. There are others recorded.
How many of us would have acted as true and honourable gentlemen in “The Cage” if there had been a way out (other than by tunnelling) even if the SBO threatened a Court Martial after the war?
HTH
Resmoroh
Clint,
Or Burma?!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
Nice one, Ross,
Accuracy, location (to metres – or yards, if you went to school when I did), and supporting evidence, are all needed. The “bloke in the pub” (and/or what his Granny’s cousin thinks may have been remembered) is not sufficient evidence. I don’t doubt that there are a significant number of WW2 airframes lying in fresh/salt water that have yet to be discovered and/or recorded. Us archaeologists (aviation, or otherwise) do tend to work on FACTS – not rumour, innuendo, etc. Makes life a lot easier!
And, by-the-way, I heard from the same bloke in the same pub that TIme Team are considering doing doing their summer hol dig in Burma. Ho Ho!
Resmoroh
Mark,
Big project – if not Degree dissertation material!!!!. Not just D-Day beer. Long-range tanks filled with brandy at Orange!! Hercs arriving at Ascension with depth-charges for the Fleet – some of which were beer kegs. These kegs, however, were not the same ‘tops’ as the fittings in the Exiles Club bar at Georgetown would cope with. Panic! Not to panic! Chf Eng on a STUFT offshore said “Send me what you want copied.” Was done. Engs on said ship turned up exact replicas of UK beer barrel tops. I knew then that “We” would win the S Atlantic Unpleasantness. “They” would lose, if only ‘cos they couldn’t sort beer barrel tops out!!!
HTH
Resmoroh
Too embarrassing to (a) admit there has to be one, and (b) that you’ve joined? Or have I the wrong end of the stick?
Resmoroh
There is, I think, some sort of ceremony/re-enactment to take place at Scampton on Friday. A colleague of mine was asking if anybody knew where a black Labrador dog could be “borrowed”!! I know no more. Perhaps RAF Scampton might know??
HTH
Resmoroh
Tony, Hi,
You have to keep a healthy armour of cynicism in order to stop the purveyors of bullshine (either deliberately, or accidentally) from scoring a hit – as has been seen elsewhere fairly recently!
At the end of the day, it would be nice if all the planning and hard work pays off – but it is neither here nor there if it fails. Moreover, if it all falls apart as it is lifted (remember when the “Mary Rose” was lifted?) then some clown will, no doubt, try to sue the RAFM for depositing excess metal fragments in the breeding ground of some rare species of creature.
Me, I prefer to wear my vanadium knickers of cynicism. Makes you look less of a prat on more than 50% of occasions. These days that equates to a Score Draw!!
Resmoroh
Pse forgive a “sideways” answer to your #1. Those of us who have done a dozen (or more) flights up/down the S Atlantic on the Airbridge always got slightly twitchy sphincter muscles when the Flt Eng on ‘Fat Albert’ came back into the Roach Coach from the Front Office and, repeatedly, shone his torch out of one of the windows onto one of the donks!!
If we had to go into the Oggin, were we far enough south not to worry about sharks? But, on the other hand, would hypothermia get us in the end?
HTH
Resmoroh
In response to #11 I am reminded of one of my Techs who said his favourite phrase was ‘Chiefy’ saying “Fetch me a bigger ‘ammer”
HTH
Resmoroh
Bolyman,
You may have to dig deep! During WW2 the Swedish Hospital/Red Cross/Repat ships “Drottningholm” and “Gripsholm” flogged their way round the world, ablaze with lights at night and with “Diplomat Sweden” in 20 ft high letters across their sides, doing most of the repats of diplomatic staffs, and repats/exchange of severly injured PoWs. They had ICRC staff on board. As far as I am aware the ICRC staff kept meticulous records of personnel – at the time. Now, whether all those records survive I know not. I do know some of them do! I wish you luck.
HTH
Resmoroh
Graham,
Last sentence yr post – or not, as the case may be!
Resmoroh