Peter,
Tks for highlighting the unsung heroes/cas of that time! Even in the small Met World of E Anglia somebody always seemed to be on a CoI somewhere – producing Docs/Data/Info – possibly leading to Summaries of Evidence, etc, etc. A lot of airborne ironmongery was continually falling out of the skies in the 50’s/60’s. It just became – as Peter says “par for the course”! Done the Pall-Bearer, and Rifle Volley Salute, bits!
HTH
Resmoroh
T-21, Hi
Yr lady born Veronica May Innes 17 Apr 1917. Reg Chesterton 3b 615.
Married Gerard Volkersz Q4 1942. Reg Chelsea 1a 698.
Died Dec 2000. Reg Cambridge 3311C C44C 141
HTH
Resmoroh
Richard, Hi,
If nobody comes up with an answer then you may have to go to QinetiQ (or whatever they were called in their previous lives – DRA/RAE!).
We used some very fancy film cameras on a very early Harrier “Smoke of War/Fog of Battle” air exercise/experiment in the Ganton/Seamer/Scarborough river valleys.
HTH
Resmoroh
At one stage in my junior Met Off career I considerably upset a fairly senior Met Officer (It was, it has subsequently been confirmed, not difficult to do!!). I was posted. I thought I was going to go to the High Altitude Branch which, at that time, fired rockets into the upper atmosphere all round the world. Good game!
I arrived at Bracknell only to discover that this malignant soul had had me posted i/c the Library Photo Section. But it turned out to have its advantages. I was also i/c the Lecture Theatre (and projection eqpt). I had to go on a course (run by SKC) to learn how to be a film projectionist. This was at RAF Bicester – and a very interesting week it was (in more ways than one!!). When I came back I was able to assist some of the up-and-coming bright-sparks in the Met Office into not strangling themselves with the cords from the throat-mike in the Lecture Theatre, etc, etc.
Later on in my career (when I had upset several people in MoD/central govt) I was saved from extinction by these same people! The fact that I, by then, was a Branch Security Officer and had saved a lot of ‘em from embarrassing Mk V Manifoil lock code changes only goes to prove it’s not what you know, but who you know!
Thank you Bicester!
Takes all sorts!
Resmoroh
Charlie, Hi,
The Aeroflot a/c poss on nuke decommissioning, etc, etc, as good idea?
Early IATs at Greenham were a hoot. Tim Princes’s hair may have gone grey very prematurely. Easterly take-offs over Burghfield – say no more!!!!! Ho Ho!
Resmoroh
Dave,
You could get 3000 ft (East/West) at 50.822645° -1.605253° (just west of Brockenhurst) – and it’s as flat as a pancake!! That is always assuming that that field was not full of guns, tanks, ammo, stores, etc, in the run-up to D-Day!
That Posh Pub & Health Spa off the Rhinefield Road may bear some investigation. If it was the HQ, in WW2, of some UK/US Unit/Formation, and The Boss was a 1, or 2, Star then they did like to have their own airborne taxi-services didn’t they?
HTH
Resmoroh
Got it! There’s an un-accounted for bucket of instant sunshine from Faldingworth still on a shelf in Stores, and nobody can decide who’s slop chit it’s on! And everybody is uttering that wonderful phrase “Not me, Chief, I’m airframes”!!
Resmoroh
Well, it ain’t the Mob Met Unit. That’s been shunted from pillar to post for yrs (and I’m an ex-Adj/SLOPS of the MMU).
1 ACC used, in my day, to be TINSMITH – and, therefore Air Portable radar gizmos? – ‘cept we aint’ got enough a/c these days to air transport it any more!!!
The ‘Arrers can fly.
HTH
Resmoroh
You are all making the same mistake that has bedevilled researchers and historians down the ages. That is to believe (unless accurate information to the contrary is available) that what is written by Monks, Govts, or Politicians, and/or Journalists, in their various publications (Official, or not) is The Whole Truth, and nothing but The Truth. How naïve! There is no such thing as The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But The Truth. There is no difference between a War History and points on a Speeding Ticket!
Some accounts are better (and, therefore, nearer The Truth) than others. But you pays your money and you takes your choice. Some Authors (and Govts) have “axes” to grind. The researcher has to have a care that ‘axe grinding’ – however carefully camouflaged as The Truth – is not transmitted downwards in time (and the Internet is more guilty of this than most!) to the detriment of future researchers.
Whilst I do not necessarily agree with Nolan then we should, at least, have the grace to examine the proposition rationally. It would seem that there were actually some unofficial, and tentative, contacts between some senior personnel in the German armed forces and the Allies (possibly via intermediaries) long before the end of WW2. These may, or may not, have led to a tentative, unofficial, accommodation of the top, professional (and non-political), German military with the Allies.
Politicians are fickle beasts – viz Churchill distancing himself from Harris after Dresden which he, Churchill, had ordered/encouraged Harris to perform. But are the current accounts of that episode accurate?
It is a simple task to dig up an aircraft (if it exists!), and to measure it from ‘x’ to ‘y’, and to count the rivets between frames 19 and 20. But why was it actually built? Did we need it? Or was it to be built in the deprived constituency of a politician who was fretting about his/her Parliamentary majority?
Read Chester Wilmot’s book “The Struggle For Europe”. Read it slowly and carefully. This was first published in 1952 (before Wilmot was allowed, openly, to describe the work of Bletchley Park). Yet it was Required Reading at Sandhurst and the Staff Colleges – forming the opinions of many Officers. Wilmot’s pen pictures of the senior Army commanders have undergone some severe revision since then – and rightly so. It was – at that time – The Truth about the European aspect of WW2.
All I’m saying is that the original post may not be accurate, or popular with some sections of this Forum, but it should – at least – be viewed, and discussed, rationally. But these subjects do tend, from experience, to generate more heat than light. It’s an intellectual problem!! Say no more!
HTH
Resmoroh
You are all making the same mistake that has bedevilled researchers and historians down the ages. That is to believe (unless accurate information to the contrary is available) that what is written by Monks, Govts, or Politicians, and/or Journalists, in their various publications (Official, or not) is The Whole Truth, and nothing but The Truth. How naïve! There is no such thing as The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But The Truth. There is no difference between a War History and points on a Speeding Ticket!
Some accounts are better (and, therefore, nearer The Truth) than others. But you pays your money and you takes your choice. Some Authors (and Govts) have “axes” to grind. The researcher has to have a care that ‘axe grinding’ – however carefully camouflaged as The Truth – is not transmitted downwards in time (and the Internet is more guilty of this than most!) to the detriment of future researchers.
Whilst I do not necessarily agree with Nolan then we should, at least, have the grace to examine the proposition rationally. It would seem that there were actually some unofficial, and tentative, contacts between some senior personnel in the German armed forces and the Allies (possibly via intermediaries) long before the end of WW2. These may, or may not, have led to a tentative, unofficial, accommodation of the top, professional (and non-political), German military with the Allies.
Politicians are fickle beasts – viz Churchill distancing himself from Harris after Dresden which he, Churchill, had ordered/encouraged Harris to perform. But are the current accounts of that episode accurate?
It is a simple task to dig up an aircraft (if it exists!), and to measure it from ‘x’ to ‘y’, and to count the rivets between frames 19 and 20. But why was it actually built? Did we need it? Or was it to be built in the deprived constituency of a politician who was fretting about his/her Parliamentary majority?
Read Chester Wilmot’s book “The Struggle For Europe”. Read it slowly and carefully. This was first published in 1952 (before Wilmot was allowed, openly, to describe the work of Bletchley Park). Yet it was Required Reading at Sandhurst and the Staff Colleges – forming the opinions of many Officers. Wilmot’s pen pictures of the senior Army commanders have undergone some severe revision since then – and rightly so. It was – at that time – The Truth about the European aspect of WW2.
All I’m saying is that the original post may not be accurate, or popular with some sections of this Forum, but it should – at least – be viewed, and discussed, rationally. But these subjects do tend, from experience, to generate more heat than light. It’s an intellectual problem!! Say no more!
HTH
Resmoroh
History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
Sir Winston Churchill British politician (1874 – 1965)
HTH
Resmoroh
History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
Sir Winston Churchill British politician (1874 – 1965)
HTH
Resmoroh
History, in its various guises, is not actualitie. It is the nearest approximation to the truth – of the time in question – that researchers can get to. Govts, Services, etc, can – and DO – lie even in “Official Documents” as it suits them. Those who have, naively, not been involved in central govt deceptions should now turn away!
Immediate post-WW2 the threat was that Ivan would be at Cap Cris Nez before we all knew what was happening.
The Allies had problems. The US just wanted to go home. The UK was broke (big time!). There might have been the case that ANYTHING that could stop that happening was “a good thing”. Nolan has just opened what might be a big can of worms! I think he may have a very good case!
HTH
Resmoroh
History, in its various guises, is not actualitie. It is the nearest approximation to the truth – of the time in question – that researchers can get to. Govts, Services, etc, can – and DO – lie even in “Official Documents” as it suits them. Those who have, naively, not been involved in central govt deceptions should now turn away!
Immediate post-WW2 the threat was that Ivan would be at Cap Cris Nez before we all knew what was happening.
The Allies had problems. The US just wanted to go home. The UK was broke (big time!). There might have been the case that ANYTHING that could stop that happening was “a good thing”. Nolan has just opened what might be a big can of worms! I think he may have a very good case!
HTH
Resmoroh
Not a lot of use for civil aviation! Comment from a meteorological colleague of mine who was posted there – “Only place where I’ve seen 40 kt fog”!! Although some in the far north may be able to improve on that – they usually do!!!
HTH
Resmoroh