Perhaps, O’Connor can answer that question. If he is not all liquored up, that is. :diablo:
Gentlemen,
I say we drop this. It seems:
(1) The initial reports were PR exercises for F-22
(2) The latest report is damage Control for F-15 (Singapore Competition)
Even if IAF got the ‘better’ of the USAF in one exercise, in real life, we all know what the outcome would have been. Exercises are just a way of getting to know each other, nothing more. The difference in Budgets of the two airforces is equivalent to the GDP of some countries.
Perhaps but ANY nation today, whether capitalistic or not, that attempts to match the US one for one in an arms race would bankrupt itself.
The point was not whether China’s economy is growing but its current consumption. China’s current comsumption is huge. Much greater than the USSR but it still does not have the same equivalent numbers of weapons as the old USSR. So it is not engaged in an arms races. If it were you’d see far more ships, planes and tanks.
How many people live in India and how many live in America? India buys nowhere near as many refrigerators and televisions as the US. The old USSR which had the same population size as the US consumed much, much, much less than the US.
All third world countries, even those with large populations, buy less refrigerators and other appliances than the US or even small western states. Third world nations simply buy less, no matter how many people live in them. China is the one exception of a third world country that buys more than western states.
But the question isn’t really about the number of refrigerators or televisions but about a nation that could buy many times more of these items than the USSR and yet doesn’t have anywhere near the amount of weapons as the USSR.
China simply isn’t engaging in an arms race in the level that its total economic strength would allow it too. It doesn’t because it is a lost cause to challenge the US in procuring weapons.
Another reason why you won’t want to engage in an arms race with the West. So why would you want to engage in an arms race with the US and the West if they take a large chunk of your exports?
BTW, China actually runs a deficit with the world but a surplus with the US and the West so it is not really like Japan and Taiwan that depends on an overall surplus to survive. China’s internal market is what allows so many televisions and refrigerators to be bought.
If the US decides to block every port in China, there is nothing China can do anyways so why bother trying to match the US submarine for submarine. You are proving exactly my point.
The bottom line is this: China is not engaged in an arms race in spite of its total economic and industrial capabilities (evidenced most strikingly by its consumption of steel) because it’s pointless – and economically suicidal – to match the US one for one in arms.
Golden Dragon and Plawolf,
Let me be the first to say, that I am in complete agreement with the above. But as mature members (especially Golden Dragon), please do not try to flame. Flame highlighted in Red Above.
Most people are under no Illusion that China will be the Superpower of the 21st Century and at present is at least twice as powerful (in almost all aspects of Human Development that matter*) as India. These facts are easily verifiable and are no secret to anyone.
* Democracy and its associated ‘benefits’ do not a superpower make. Not in the short to medium Term anyway.
So please, give it a rest and leave India out wherever possible.
If the quality of the british-made cars is any indication, then good luck to Canada for buying these subs.
(1) Actually, the quality of British Made Cars is world class. Britian has lost most of her manufacturing to take-over by Americans (FORD) and Germany:
Any place from where the follwoing come/have come in the past certainly can not be questioned regarding their ‘quality’
Triumph, Jaguar, Rolls Royce, Bently, Landrover, Aston Martin, Austin Healey.
I mean, come on. :rolleyes:
(2) Although any analogies drawn up with the Kursk incident are not totally correct as their is no nuclear dimension involved, one does tend to notice how differently the world media has reacted to the two events.
Please see how the same media outlet treats the stories:
(A) Kursk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1323196.stm
Analysis: Russia’s military timebomb
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/887978.stm
Many believe that the tragedy of the Kursk is symbolic of the wider state of Russia’s once proud fleet.
(B) HMCS Chicoutimi
Sensible and reasonable covergae from the same outlet, no Gloom / ‘The End is Near’ type of Analysis.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3721476.stm
‘Other ships have had fires in the past and no doubt there will be fires on board our ships in the future… this is something that our professional mariners are capable of managing’, he said.
π
why has their social democrat economy been so stagnant π‘
Not enough Taxes?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&ncid=573&e=5&u=/nm/20041005/od_nm/tax_dc
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) – A group of Swedish parliamentarians proposed levying a “man tax” to cover the social cost of violence against women.
“It must be obvious to all of us that society has a huge problem with male violence against women and that has a cost,” Left Party deputy Gudrun Schyman told Swedish radio on Monday.“We must have a discussion where men understand they as a group have a responsibility,” said Schyman, one of the party members to sign the motion for debate on the new tax.
For what itβs worth, the chances of a conflict are quite low. Yesterday, KAMAL KHARRAZI, Foreign Minister of Iran came on to the Charlie Rose Show and assured Rose (American Audiences) that Iran does not intend to develop Nuclear Weapons and further, they are willing to guarantee that. They want dialogue, not conflict.
Not only is it silly to club a civilization like Iran with the other despotic regimes of the Middle East, as Golden Dragon mentioned on the previous page, the country is heading toward a moderate future. Just let it be.
So is everyone in agreement about the following:
BAe Hawk Mk 127/128 LIFT
The most expensive in this list perhaps and inferior to most of them in most ways. It’s also the oldest
Cost: well above 20mn
Is India stuck with a Turkey? π
“Freddy Mercury” is not the man’s real name.
He was born Faroukh Bulsara in Mumbai (then Bombay), India. he is a Zoroastrian (In India, known as “Parsis”). Originally, All Iranians were Zoroastrians till Islamic Arab Invasions .
http://www.parsijourney.com/chapters/four/chfour.html
So in a way, an Ethnic Iranian being accepted in Iran is not funny. Unless of course, I have missed the point.
– Manu.
Excellent! Thanks.
Excellent! Thanks.
Airpower, Thanks for the effort, but these pictures are not new.
Best Films: 21 Grams / City of God/Bourne Supremacy
Worst Films: Whole Ten Yards/Kill Bill Vol. 2
Gentlemen,
447 Posts later the naysayers are not convinced. Nor are the Protagonists swayed.
Surely, it is time for recess. We will find out in a year or two. Let’s just wait.
How about it?
Gentlemen,
Please calm down. Scooter’s point is well taken. Everyone has to right to their opinion. One can disagree but one should not resort to unparliamentary language.
What in your opinion is an “airframe-suitable” alloy?
Something that is resistant to “Dents”. π