Fc-1, Mig29 and LCA are good value provided they have a decent radar and BVR capability – with these they stand a reasonable chance of defeating superior aircraft like the F16 using their numerical superiority.
3rd world air forces would probably not be able to use aircrafts like F16 blk 60 and Rafales to their full potential becuz of lack of AWACS etc. and also US and the French may be reluctant to supply the best avionics and BVR missiles to 3rd world countries.
so in the hands of 3rd world air force the differnce between F16 and Fc-1 would not be as great as it is when the F16 is operated by USAF.
So it would be wiser of poorer countries to go for cheaper and numerical option.
The critieria used to measure how useless an air force should take into acount how much money is spent on acquiring the air assets against how capable and effective the air force is without any foreign assistance – both in war time and day to day running.
If you use that criteria the worst air force has to be the UAE air force. They have got 90 odd mirage 2ks and are in the process of recieving 80 block 60 F16s. But the Emirates cannot even wipe their arses without foreiegn help. Previously their air force was run by Pakistanis, but the US isn’t too keen on Pakistani pilots flying the block 60 F16s – probably the Turks and the Americans will replace most of the Pakistanis.
UAE has spent around $8 billion on acquiring these assets. This is a large sum even by the standards of countries like China and India. Any other country spending this much on air force would cause grave concern to its neighbours and the US. But UAE is a tiny emirate with not that much space to have more than one major air base and without outside military intervention even Iranians would have no problem in dealing with UAE air force. The only beneficiaries are Dassualt and Lockheed. They could have saved all that money by signing a defence pact with the US.
Originally posted by Phil Foster
Have you ever seen a Tornado F3 perform at an airshow? You are right that it won’t turn heads like an F16, F18, Rafale, Typhoon, Gripen and of course we all know the ones that really turn heads at airshows are the Flankers and Fulcrums of the world if only because they have a bit of a reputation for, shall we say, dangerous maneuvering and playing lawn darts as a result.What makes the F3 really turn heads is its suprising agility and the vortices above the wings and on the wingtips which, I think, go some way to proving just how tight the pilot is turning the plane. Also its acceleration is phenomenal at low altitude. The problem is when you get above about 20,000 or 25,000ft when the performance really begins to drop off. Thats because it used high bypass engines which are optimised for low altitude operations.
The RAF and BAe who developed the F3 from the ‘GR1’ bomber wanted to put new engines in it to transform its high altitude performance but the MoD said no. They said “you have got a bigger airframe with more fuel and better aerodynamics for better acceleration and a whacking great air intercept radar, what more do you want?” Well the RAF would have prefered a radar that worked for a start. They have been perfected now but at the time they had to fit ballast in the nose because the airframe was fully developed before the radar.
It just goes to show that with the F15 the yanks successfully turned an air superiority fighter into a top draw strike aircraft but you can’t do it the other way around. If the F3 had low or variable bypass engines and perhaps a little less weight (it weighed more than the bomber variant!) it would have been a belter at any altitude and wouldn’t have the reputation it now has. But and its a big but, you can’t afford to underestimate it if you are going up against it. If its pilot and navigator gets you below 20,000ft it doesn’t matter what you are flying, it will give you a nasty shock in close in fighting.
I agree with your observations
Re: Re: Highly manoeverable aircraft – are they still needed?
Originally posted by flex297
Tornado ADV over Su-35? Why?Flex
Becuz Su-35, Su-27 and Su 30 etc are known to be highly manoeverable planes and Tornado ADV is not known for its manoeverability. But to defeat the Tornado ADV using their manoeverability these planes would need to get close to it, which would not be easy becuz the ADV has a powerful radar and Sky Flash (improved Sparrow) bvr missiles. And if armed with Amraam it would become even more formidable.
Its manoeverabilty, though not in the Flanker or Fulcrum class, is adequate. Even in close combat a Tornado F3 flown by a good pilot would defeat Flanker or Fulcrum flown by an average pilot.