If thats the way you view Muslims then fine, that’s your problem. Not all Muslims are the same.
True, A friend of mine told me a story about the time he working was in Oman and was in a bar of a hotel for westerners with an Muslim friend. The Muslim told him that he was feed up with life in Oman, as he would like to live as a Westerner and not be forced to be a Muslim by the law of the land because he was born a Muslim, in that he would like to have a drink once in a while and leave the misdeed to be decided between himself and his god. The problem with AQ,UBL and the Muslim clerics is that they have a lot of power over a lot of sheep. Should the sheep wake up and learn that they have been had, that power is gone. Same for the US fundamentalists I guess.
If thats the way you view Muslims then fine, that’s your problem. Not all Muslims are the same.
True, A friend of mine told me a story about the time he working was in Oman and was in a bar of a hotel for westerners with an Muslim friend. The Muslim told him that he was feed up with life in Oman, as he would like to live as a Westerner and not be forced to be a Muslim by the law of the land because he was born a Muslim, in that he would like to have a drink once in a while and leave the misdeed to be decided between himself and his god. The problem with AQ,UBL and the Muslim clerics is that they have a lot of power over a lot of sheep. Should the sheep wake up and learn that they have been had, that power is gone. Same for the US fundamentalists I guess.
megalith,
I doubt the Americans see 9/11 as a “response” but rather a “terrorist attack”. It seems to me the United States created its own enemies with its unilateralist foreign policy over the past few decades.
Canpark, You have to remember that most of that policy was a result of the USA v USSR ‘Cold War’ conflict. Nobody seems to remember that the USSR was just as bad as the USA at creating enemies, now as the USSR does not exist everybody has started blaming the USA for everything. In fact the problems in the Middle East pre date the US sticking their nose’s in. The UK and France, cocked things up by making countries that had no natural population boundaries (IRAQ for example) and putting in pro British / French leaders after 1918 and the fall of the Ottoman empire. They then supported these leaders with troops and air power after the local population turned against the puppet leaders. This was not helped by the actions of the Germans (Iraq in 1941 for example). Also it was 1917 that the British and French decided to that the Jew were to have a homeland in what is now Israel, at the same time as Lawrence was telling the Arabs that the British were going to free them from the Turks. As you go back though time you will find this happening time and time again. One big boy sticks his nose in, to stop his rival getting in there before him.
megalith,
I doubt the Americans see 9/11 as a “response” but rather a “terrorist attack”. It seems to me the United States created its own enemies with its unilateralist foreign policy over the past few decades.
Canpark, You have to remember that most of that policy was a result of the USA v USSR ‘Cold War’ conflict. Nobody seems to remember that the USSR was just as bad as the USA at creating enemies, now as the USSR does not exist everybody has started blaming the USA for everything. In fact the problems in the Middle East pre date the US sticking their nose’s in. The UK and France, cocked things up by making countries that had no natural population boundaries (IRAQ for example) and putting in pro British / French leaders after 1918 and the fall of the Ottoman empire. They then supported these leaders with troops and air power after the local population turned against the puppet leaders. This was not helped by the actions of the Germans (Iraq in 1941 for example). Also it was 1917 that the British and French decided to that the Jew were to have a homeland in what is now Israel, at the same time as Lawrence was telling the Arabs that the British were going to free them from the Turks. As you go back though time you will find this happening time and time again. One big boy sticks his nose in, to stop his rival getting in there before him.
Vern – I would love to share your optimism but look at what flies in Lincolnshire and then do the maths! It doesn’t add up and something will go . As for the Wing Commanders exiting the RAF – more likely a promotion or a move sideways .
Optimism??? I wanted the RAF to stay in North East Norfolk because that’s where my House is. 😉
Maths??? Your right they don’t add up. :rolleyes:
Wing Commanders??? A National Audit Office report slamming your maths and decision making can put the brakes on your career, big time, very easily and it’s a very difficult thing to cover up. I have seen Senior RAF Officers asked to resign their commissions due to **** ups with money before, it happened my Station Commander on a radar unit about 17 years ago. 😉
Sure.. Those were small fish on the rear end. But I am mainly interested in those who were on the front end. Planners. And people who made this all possible.
flex, The planner was this guy below and his merry band of goat herders.
What are 1ACC (currently at Kirton in Lindsey) and 90 Signals Unit (including TCW from Brize and ERAS from Sealand). ? :confused: 😮
James
The bits of the RAF that turn your little air display flying machines into effective war fighting aircraft. Without them, you may as well stay at home and not have an air force!
James read the RAF web site and stop looking at just the pictures, you may learn something about modern AIR POWER!
You have already been told by at least three different past and serving members of the RAF that it isnt happeneing. Which part of this are you having difficulty with?
Thank you MOTF, As one of the three, I would state the same 😀
I anyone thinks that units are ring fenced in the Air Force they are sadly deluded! The cuts that have plagued the RAF for the last few years do not exclude anything from consideration. The actual situation at Scampton is that large numbers of the married quarters have been sold off. The single accomodation isn’t wonderful but nothing that cannot be fixed with money. The chances are that the RAF won’t want to keep the number of bases it has in Lincolnshire.
VERY WRONG!!!!! The plan was that most of the RAF is going to be based in Lincolnshire or next door counties. ISTAR assets (Nimrod R1, Sentinel and Sentry) at Waddington, Supply and Logistic assets (TSW) moved from Stafford to Wittering, Joint Harrier force at Cottersmore, Typhoon training at Coningsby and Comms/ASACS assets at Scampton. The big problem with this plan was SCAMPTON!!!!!! The place is falling to bits. The Wing Commanders who did the study into the move of units into Scampton seriously underestimated the cost of getting Scampton up to scratch. The CRC at Neatishead was due for an equipment upgrade in 2004, this was cancelled and the equipment was installed at Scampton. 1 Air Control Centre was moved from Boulmer to Kirton in Lindsey, to make room for all of the Neatishead scopies that had no work until the Scampton CRC was up and running. Tac Comms Wing at Brize were on the verge of moving to Scampton when this happened in Jan 06. SEE HERE The rumour was that TCW planned the mother of all redresses against the Wing Commanders who had pushed for Scampton as a lot of personnel had moved to Lincolnshire early to get their kids into schools and such. Another rumour I heard is the same wing commanders are no longer in the air force.
Have you actually been to Scampton! it is so run down we refused to go there when Coningsby’s runway was resurfaced, we went to Barkston Heath instead and that wasn’t that good.
Last time I saw the place was in 1982. The Vulcans had just left. Rumour has it that the runway will be resurfaced at Scampton in the near future. I’ve actually got to go to Scampton on a H&S course next month (Wanted to go to Waddo, but my H&S officer at Scampton (my parent unit) put me on the Scampton course, which has blown my drinking plans with my bro in the mess at Waddo right out of the water.
Pilot says – Help, I’ve just put my foot through the one of the panels on the airframe.
Crew Chief say – Why Sir? how did you miss the NO STEP sign.
Pilot Says – I couldn’t see it!
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