:rolleyes: To be honest, all of the reasons why the Russians and Chinese have not copied the YF-23 or any other Stealth design were done to death on the last thread before it was locked. :rolleyes:
I doubt all early American missiles worked :p
I’ve heard that the early Sidewinder worked quite well in early trials, the same could not be said for the Falcon ๐
Many many years ago when I was in the ATC I was a wing Aircraft recognition champion. If I can find a picture of the tail I like a challenge!
SNAP, won at team level in East Essex wing and won was highest scorer on team that won Central and Eastern Region competion in 1983. Missed Corps final and Air Britian Comp, thanks to joining the RAF the week before the finals. According to a news source both K’s and J’s are part of a 4 aircraft det. From what I saw, I’d say its a K (Sky News web page on the accident has a picture of a C-130K on it and calls it a C-130K), could be a hint. ๐
Was it a c-130K or the newer J model that crashed out of curiosity?
Aircraft was green, I think it could be a K, most of the aircraft bar the tail was burnt out.
seems like she burst a tyre on landing
Pictures on BBC News – Aircraft a total write off
I indeed think many nations have even such software available.. It is not like with other products where you need to have very cost-intensive technologies.. Math is free for all, countries like India or China have thousands of skilled computer programmers and they can do the codes even on bargain desktop PCs.
India does have something to do with the Cray remark (A mate of mine was installing one in their national Physics labs ( ๐ฎ He reckoned it was procured to with the physics of things that go flash, boom in mind ๐ฎ )).
Well…I have to addmit that the topic is quite interesting; not because we gonna reach any consensus who would win but couse of many aspects of it being seen by You guys. Looks like my voice here is the only one of former WarPac aircrew (if I am mistaken excuse me pls). So I like posts by iceHawk (not only) couse he wrote a lot of truth ie. one of our taktics was to launch massive A/G attacks, at least regiment size (3 squadrons) but tipically 3 regiments and one of the reasons for that was to egage or alert the highest number of NATO’s fighters and provide sort of safe corridor in another place for the other assets of us. Concerning variety of weapons we could employ, yes there was a lot but I would be carefull about use of it mostly due to employment range ie. kh-25/29 family -tipically 10 km. Other point about loyality to Soviets…Please remember that the second half of 80′ was a political mess at least in Poland but it doesn’t mean there would be sort of uprasing in the armed forces, I personally think at the beginning(!) we would obey orders even hated Soviets. And the most important stuff in my opinion -I am the former Su-22K Fitter pilot, right now with NATO and US flying experience, flying nice US made toy: we might be good then but I have to admitt we didn’t have good tactics before ingrees and after egrees, all of us WarPac aircrew as I see is now. Maybe that was a reason we exercised nuk deploying until early 90’s?
Best regards to all.
I’d say that’s an interesting insight into the WP side of the coin that confirms points from both sides of the argument. A couple of questions. Not being a expert on Soviet organisation, How many planes in a regiment (50, 60, 70?). What would have been the mission of one of these regiments in a large scale attack if jumped by say a 8 F-15’s (would it be drop AG ordinance as to be able to manoeuvre and try to kill the Eagles or to try to use numbers to blow through on to the ground target, taking some losses).
Congratulations, the both of you are banned!
Just to satisfy my insatiable curiosity ๐ , who was banned? :diablo: ๐ฎ :diablo:
I for one think that Typhoon would be great for Japan. It is certainly predicted to be a better A2A than the F-35 and is still a good platform for anything else they may need.
Nope.. Bar WVR, in BVR with its VLO, APG-81 AESA and AMRAAM C7, the JSF will be the one to first see and probably kill the EF, its advantages of supercruise (Meteor, and higher weapon launch speed + impact on range) apart, coz latter wont do much of a difference against a stealthy plane that launches first
Also take a look at recent interview of EF marketing manager, ex RAF- F3 Pilot in Norwegian paper, he keeps referring to MIDS and PIRATE as the choice vs JSF/ etc…makes it clear that JSF is stealthy, EF is not..even here JSFs optical suite which is intended to be all aspect wins out..
Fine, just one BIG Problem. Will the SPAMS allow it to be exported with all the goodies ๐ . (UK had threatened to pull out of the project because we will not get access to source code, thanks to the US Congress) :rolleyes: ๐ก
I do not see the other two threads as you say :confused:
Anyways,i have a video of a Greek F-16 acquiring Turkish F-16 with a Sidwinder missile.You can hear the screech when the missile is locked onto the target.Rather unplesent sound.
One has been removed and the other is here
Did get to see the odd Jaguar, Now only F-15s up high
I have no idea, I must admit..
Just ask CRAY ๐ฎ
:rolleyes: OH DEAR ANOTHER PROMISING THREAD ON ITS WAY TO BEING LOCKED BY THE MODS :rolleyes:
Off topic:
But I am just wondering how long will the RAF keep the Tornado GR4 and the Tornado F3 in service for?
All the best
James ๐
Depends on how long it takes Eurofighter to build an extra 72 Typhoons for starters ๐
Very broad selection of aircraft mentioned in thread title, divided between strike/attack aircraft and those aircraft designed to intercept them with some airframe types serving as both. One aircraft you havenโt included in the title is the MiG-31, the ultimate interceptor aircraft, and which is, along with the F-14, really is the aircraft most comparable with the Tornado ADV. All three of these aircraft where originally optimized for the interception of strategic bombers such as the Tu-22M/Tu-160/Tu-95, B-52/B-1Bs along with any of the munitions such as ALCMs already launched by such attacking aircraft. All three aircraft are necessarily quite large aircraft, both in order to be able to carry a respectable weapon load at a better than normal range along with the associated powerful radar system and a two man crew. This is of course a specification clearly at odds with creating an aircraft with good WVR ability. But this is was a compromise that the USN, the RAF and the Soviet PVO, three of the most important air arms in the cold war, located on opposite sides of the Iron curtain, were willing to make. All 3 very different air forces where happy to employ relatively unmaneuverable โmissile trucksโ because of course in the area of planned deployment such aircraft are unlikely to run into smaller and nimbler air superiority types. No Tornado ADV is going to run into a MiG-29 in the North Atlantic, no MiG-31 is ever going to encounter an F-15 in the northern reaches of Soviet Siberia. All 3 aircraft should be judged solely on their abilities as bomber interceptors only.
Incidentally, I would never call the Tornado ADV a fast aircraft, but why is the MiG-31 so fast (Mach 2.83), when one considers the subsonic cruising speeds of the B-52 and B-1B as they entered Soviet airspace? Did the Soviets ever consider adapting the Su-24 Fencer as a PVO bomber interceptor instead of starting with the MiG-25. Much in the same way as the F-111A strike aircraft was converted into the F-111B Navy fighter (which had the potential to become a capable bomber interceptor, if it wasnโt so useless as a carrier borne aircraft). Converting the Su-24 into an interceptor should have been straightforward as regards changes to the airframe; replacing the fixed inlets with variable inlets to allow a Mach 2+ capability (remember the Su-24 was already equipped with real fighter aircraft engines โ in shape of the Lyulka AL-21 of the MiG-23, or even the AL-31 of the Su-27 at a later stage) and of course, fitting the appropriate avionics and weapons systems (Zaslon and AA-9 etc.). The cost of development should have been cheaper than that of the MiG-31 and with cheaper operating costs (and with a lot more commonality of airframes and powerplants with the rest of the Soviet airforces) while providing an aircraft with potentially greater range/endurance.
F-111Bs below
The F3 was fast low down in the weeds and may have been able to do a dash 2.2 clean, but it was limited by its design (However, remember the Mk104 engine gave 10% more power than the GR1’s Mk 103 in reheat and the back end of the aircraft gave a little bit less drag, plus the front was a little bit more pointed, along with the wing gloves.