Does anybody known what were the other front runners for TSR2 Names?
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but what was the Fairy Delta 1?
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the BAC/BAe EAGLE FB mk 1…..that sounds good…or would it have been GR-1..or just B-1. they would be getting a bit long in the tooth by now. i wonder what there replacments would have been. 😉
Eagle GR 1 would be a good bet, however the aircraft’s Strike and Reconnaissance role would have made Eagle SR 1 a more likely choice (It was not called TSR2 for nothing. Of course the aircraft that was procured in the end was the Buccaneer S2, however the Navy tended to use S designation more than the RAF, (However were not versions of the Victor and Vulcan given SR designation’s?).
There is actually quite a lot of documentation in PRO regarding this – mainly what was discarded or rejected (e.g. Thunder). No decision had been made regarding the TSR2, however the name favoured was indeed ‘Eagle’
F-111K would have been ‘Merlin’ (Because the Merlin swings it’s wings back before it attacks!!)
P-1154 would probably have been Harrier
The final OK for the naming of an aircraft is at Defence Minister level. From what I’ve seen they tend to make official the name selected by the manufacturer (Classic example was Bloodhound. Bristol and MoS wanted to call Red Duster, Bloodhound, The Armament Eng. guys wanted to call it Saturn (and all other Surface to Air weapons to have names with SA at the front) and Fighter Command wanted it to be named after a Snake. Bloodhound of course was chosen.)
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that is a good question…i have often thought the same thing….
at the time the RAF liked to name there aircraft after birds of prey..kestral, harrier, hawk…you never no the TSR-2 may have been named after one…buzzard, eagle, merlin, goshawk….but i suppose we will never know.
Eagle has been quoted for TSR2 in a modelling Magazine. There may be some document somewhere with what idea’s BAC had.
I may wrong here, but were not the F117 and TLAM-C both fully operational in 1987?
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Correction to that, It was not something I read, its a quote by my Mum 😀
What about the RAF’s fleet of Phantom FG.1/FGR.2 and F-4J(UK)’s?
Only two squadrons for 2ATAF, based at Wildenrath. The rest were for UKADR use.
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I have spent some time to find in Internet various sources describing NATO and Warsaw Pact Air Forces OdeB in the 1980s. Well, I have already finished this job and I have also compiled and merged informations from many data sources taken together. To simplifing analysis I decided to focus on NATO/WP air strength in Cental Europe because this theatre of military operations would be critical for NATO-WP war’s outcome. Below I show my aggregate numbers of both sides military aircraft in this area.
WARSAW PACT OdeB on Western Theatre of Military Operations in 1987. (it comprises all fixed-wing military platforms based in East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Poland and USSR’s Baltic, Belarussian, Carpathian Military Disctrics)
1. FIGHTER INTERCEPTORS: 2276
– 862 MiG-21 Fishbed-J/K/L/N
– 1058 MiG-23 Flogger-B/C/K
– 65 MiG-25 Foxbat-E
– 36 Su-15 Flagoon
– 165 MiG-29 Fulcrum-A
– 45 Su-27 Flanker-A
– 45 MiG-31 Foxhound-A2. FIGHTER-GROUND ATTACK: 1232
– 80 MiG-17 Fresco-C
– 75 MiG-21 Fishbed-D/F/J
– 424 MiG-27 Flogger-B/D/J
– 563 Su-7/17/20/22 Fitter-A/C/D/H
– 90 Su-25 Froogfoot-A3. BOMBERS: 900
– 455 Su-24 Fencer-A/C/D
– 156 Tu-16 Bagder-C/G
– 107 Tu-22 Blinder-A/B
– 182 Tu-22M Backfire-B/C4. AUXILIARY PLANES (Recce/ECM/tankers): 609
– 81 MiG-21 Fishbed-H
– 104 Yak-28 Brewer-D
– 83 MiG-25 Foxbat-B/D
– 80 Su-17 Fitter-H/K
– 66 Su-24 Fencer-E/F
– 96 Tu-16 Bagder-D/F/J/K
– 47 Tu-22 Blinder-C/E
– 12 Tu-22M Backfire-DGRAND TOTAL: 5017 military aircrafts
NATO OdeB in Central Region, 1987 (including fixed-wing military platforms based in GDR, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, USAFE planes in UK and part of French planes in FRG and France commited to strenghten Central Region in the event of war as well)
1. FIGHTER-INTERCEPTORS: 467
– 68 F-5 E/F “Tiger II”
– 96 F-15 C/D “Eagle”
– 12 Panavia “Tornado” ADV
– 145 Dassault “Mirage” F-1
– 38 Dassault “Mirage” 2000
– 12 BAe “Lightening”
– 16 Saab 35 “Draken”
– 80 F-104G “Starfighter”2. MULTIROLE FIGHTER-GROUND ATTACK: 1134
– 216 F-4 E/F “Phantom II” E/F/G
– 356 F-16 “Falcon” A/B
– 36 CF-18 “Hornet” A/B
– 72 SEPECAT “Jaguar” A/E
– 108 A-10A “Thunderbolt”
– 175 Dornier “Alphajet”
– 31 BAe “Harrier” GR.3
– 60 Dassault “Mirage” IIIE
– 80 Dassault “Mirage-5”3. BOMBERS: 351
– 211 Panavia “Tornado” IDS
– 140 F-111 “Aardvark” E/F4. AUXILIARY PLANES: Recce/ECM versions of western planes included above.
GRAND TOTAL: 1952 military aircratfs
Main sources: IISS “The Military Balance 1987-1988” London 1987, The Analytic Science Corporation “Preliminary ATTU Unclassified Conventional Weapon Systems Data Base” Fall 1987, “Between Rhine and Elbe: France in teh Conventional Defense of Central Europe” Comparative Strategy 1987, various articles from “Military Review” and declassified National Intelligence Estimates (NIEs) from the 1980s.
Well, basic question is: who could probably gain air superiority over Central Europe in the event of NATO-WP war???
No Tornado ADV’s in CENTAF region ever, Lightning’s were gone from RAFG by that time. Two Squadrons of Phantom FGR2’s 24 plus aircraft as RAFG fighters.
No NATO aircraft in GDR, may have found lots in the FRG however.
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Since “RS” was Reconnaissance /Strike and Strike means Nuclear,it kind of makes you wonder about the early “SR” 71 concept doesn’t it? 🙂
Strike was a British designation only was it not? (ie Bucc S2, SHAR FRS1).
A “fact sheet” printed in a May 1999 edition of the Norwegian tabloid Dagbladet stated that VJ SA-6 GAINFULs could only be defeated by HARMs employed from Luftwaffe Tornadoes…
Obviously He had never heard of ALARM, RAF, USN, USAF, USMC, EA-6B, F-16 or F-18 then.
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come to think of it i agree.. what i was really getting at was the B-1 was cancelled and then resserected, and the whole F-111 program was almost cancelled, the RAFs order and the navys F-111B was… 🙂
F111B was cancelled because it was too heavy for operations on carriers at a safe land on speed (even after Grumman tried to cut off every lb. that they could).
F111K was cancelled as a pill (sorry for the pun) to the left wingers in the labour government at the time to get prescription charges started into the NHS.