Never been round Hunsdon, which is a bit criminal, coming from just up the road from Harlow and with all the history of the place, however after being chased off Sawbridgeworth as a kid with some of my mates, I decided that cycling to Stansted was a lot easier, a lot more safer (and a hell of a lot more interesting).
One thing I would (and a lot of others no doubt) like to know is what was the code on the Beaufighter that Braham was flying. Nobody Knows!!! its not in any of the records for Coltishall or 141 Sqn. The only place it could most likely be found is with Brahams Log book, which will be with his Family in Canada, or possibly in one of the Canadian museums. Most of his Serrate missions were flown in this aircraft.
BigVern,
I had posted that Shores and Williams has Braham’s RO/Nav on this night as Flt.Lt. H Jacobs.
Additionally, only 1 of his 29 victories is noted as being a day victory, a Ju88 on 26th Oct 1942. :confused:
I had a hunch it was Jacko Jacobs, but I was not sure. His other RO/NAv on 141 Sqn was usually F/O Sticks Gregory. Geiger was his last Night Kill in the Beaufighter and was his 20th in total. The other 9 kills were in Mosquitoes while he was on the 2 Group night intruder staff at Bentley Priory. (As usual for 2TAF, the staff officers flew ops regularly. Braham flew 15 total before he was shot down on the 25th June 1944 over Denmark and made a POW. These were 1 day and 2 night bombing and strafing attacks and 12 lone daylight Ranger operations. Most, if not all, of the aircraft that Braham shot down in the Mossie were daylight kills, these included an HE177, a JU 88, two double kill sorties in March 1944 over Denmark and two FW190’s). According to Braham in his book, Brance Burbridge was the top British night killer with 21 night kills.
Some more
Saw the Halo fly at Farnborough in 1984, its a very impressive beast.
as yet no bookings what so ever for foxy lady XN923, even with sponsership, airshow organisers aren’t willing to cough up the cash for her to appear. Even Red Bull haven’t confirmed they want her at any of their airshows in europe, reason: those avon 208’s burn 5 tons of fuel an hour and that’s alot of money to fork out jus getting her there.
D**M I was hoping to see her this year!!!
Is that not also Sea Venoms and Seahawks, plus Gannets etc, sorry, mustn’t forget the Navy.
Which ‘Confrontation’ do you mean Bigvern.
I would say your spot on with that one Pete. As for the second part, Indonesia (1962-66, Dates from memory, so I may be incorrect on start, which was nothing to do with Op Firedog).
i may be wrong but didnt javelins fire on eygption tu-16s on a few occations, i think it was the suez crises….B-47s was used in nam im sure of it, in the early days though. the F-106 dart was never used in anger was it, what about RAF F-4s i think it was one of the few operators thet never used them in anger. japan is the only other nation i can think of….
Javelin was not around for Suez
If were talking British aircraft then what about the Javelin ( 435 built ) which I don’t ‘think’ fired a shot in anger it’s afterburners normally being enough to scare people away during the Malayan Conflict.
P.S. nice username D1566. DGH ( part owner 47105/295/376/401/417 ) 🙂
The Javelin was around for the Confrontation as well, I don’t think it ever did fire a shot in anger, however.
Was not the Attacker used by the IAF in some of their skirmishes, and I think that Scimitars and Vixens were used to sink the Torrey Canyon in 1967, or doesn’t that count, used in anger though.
I thought as well that Javs were used in Aden in the 60’s.
What about the Swift?
Any one have a list of what was used in the Suez crisis.
The RAF Combat Aircraft in Suez (not counting Transports, Shacks and Choppers)
Venom
Hunter
Canberra
Valiant
Is there more information about ‘Bob’ Breham? As I can remeber he is the most decorated Commen Wealht Pilot! And also one of the higest scoring one.
29 Kills if memory serves (20 at nignt) 2nd top scoring British nignt fighter pilot. Gongs – DSO, DFC, AFC, CD, Belgian Order of the Crown and Croix de Guerre.
B-58 HUSTLER, F4D SKYRAY, F-89 SCORPION, F3H DEMON, F7U CUTLASS to name a few.
Very good call. Has Alpha Jet done any fighting?
Wing Commander J R D (Bob) Braham was flying a Beaufighter VIf X8147 of 141 Squadron based at Wittering, The squadron’s aircraft had however started the sortie from Coltishall, as part of a large scale Serrate / Intruder mission in support of an attack by Bomber Command attack on Bochum in the Ruhr. The force consisting of 7 Beaufighters of 141 Sqn and 6 Mosquitoes (3 from 25 Sqn and 3 from 410 Sqn). Braham and a Flt Lt Forshaw were the first two pilots to depart in Beaufighters at 1930 hours local (Forshaw at 1930, Braham at 1922). The rest of the force failed to take off as the mission was cancelled soon after due to bad weather, Braham and Forshaw did not receive the recall order and proceeded their patrol areas. Forshaw made no contacts and landed back at Coltishall at 2215 hours local. Braham shot down Geigers Me-110 over the Zuider Zee (time unknown from my source, however I have seen it in the Squadron ORB), he then acquired a Ju88, which he engaged, however the cannons on the Beaufighter jammed and the aircraft escaped. Braham was accompanied in the aircraft by his Navigator/Serrate/AI Mk 4 operator (no idea of the person in the aircraft at the time as Braham usually flew with one of two Navigators while on 141 Squadron.) and a Major McGovern, (the CO of a USAAF P-38 Lightning Squadron that was located at Wittering and was a good friend of Braham) who had gone along for a ride. Braham landed at Coltishall at 2215 after having a close shave with Army light flak as the aircraft crossed the Norfolk coast between Hemsbey and Winterton on the return leg. It was Braham last operational flight with the Squadron as Commanding Officer as he was posted to a staff course shortly after. Geiger was also his 20th night victory, taking his night score above that of the then top scoring British night fighter pilot with John ‘Cats Eyes, Cunningham at the time.
Source of information RAF Coltishall ORB for September 1943 and Braham’s autobiography ‘Scramble’ (Published as Night Fighter in the US) which was written in 1961.
Update D*** You. (Sorry boys and girls, curse is at the forum database, not you), Firebird, your last post on this seems to be missing.
Or would the jet wash cause the chopper to shake too violently?
I think every pic I’ve seen of a helicopter receiving an aerial refuelling it’s been from a tanker with props like a KC-130 or something similar.
I would say NO! the speed differences between the pure jet tanker (lowest safe flying speed) and the chopper (Max speed) would be too great. The old Victor Tanker could only refuel a Hercules in a dive, and I would expect that when being refuelled by a VC10 or a Tristar, the Hercules would be going at max chat or very close to it. A Hercules or other turboprop transport has to be able to fly at 100 – 120 Knots range safely to be able to drop Paratroopers. Thus making the type ideal for Helicopter AAR. I would say that you get more wash of the turboprop anyway.
Bill Gunston’s Russian Aircraft has 900 Tu-4 Bull. Doesn’t count if you reckon it as B-29. The answer must be a USSR type whose production run is vague – has every Sukhoi type fought?
Do not think the Su-11 Fishpot was ever exported, the same for the Tu-128 Flidder (and most likely have never shoot at anything in anger, unless they have got an overflight kill, which is I think is unlikely). SU-15 Flagon has fired weapons in anger (killed a Korean Air 747 in 1983). Has the SU-27 ever been in Combat?
Tu-95 Bear????
Hiya,
Found a video host so was able to upload my Roman Candle video from Warbirds Over Wanaka…
Enjoy…
(Warning, it’s 16MB)
http://www.zippyvideos.com/6629089734883476/f111_burn/
Cheers
TNZ
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