The Mangusta was always cramped, this here takes it to the next level.

The gun arrangement is more or less the same as on the Mangusta. Will mess up the sensor nose. Vibrations, muzzle flash, corrosive gases, electric effects, &c. A belt-fed Gatling? Hmm. What’s the point of using a multi-barrel gun here anyway? What they don’t show on that picture is the exposed part of the ammo feed that connects that ammo chute with the gun turret – that’s wild and a debris magnet (here with that yellow cover). Ground clearance might also be an issue in certain situations. Would love to hear some more detailed feedback from the Italians in the -stans …

The large windows are nice but expose way too much of the crew to small arms fire. Back when the prototype crashed the cockpit area also didn’t display an awful lot of structural strength.

The engine pods look still problematic, don’t see much space for neither sand filter nor IR suppression exhaust.

The rotor head looks fragile/civilian.

Lots of belly antennas. Wonder about battle damage issues, with all the wires running down there

In my mind this is an armed scout.
Pecking order as Mangusta < Tiger < Apache < Mi-28.
The strong point of the Mangusta, and more so that up-engined T129/AW729 derivate, is agility.

Generally speaking, save when you really have too much money, I’d see the armed UH-60 (aka Battle Hawk) that’s coming out of Israel and now also from SAC, as a really interesting option if you already have UH-60 in the fleet, mostly for operational but also tactical reasons.

where does the Ka-50/52 place in your pecking order?
its probably worth throwing the WZ-10 and LCH in this.. both are closer to the Mangusta in size and probably role… both have too much exposed glass cockpits, especially with the LCH. But at least both are using single barrel guns which should reduce vibration.

Why do they put the T-50 so quickly in the airshow? From the display, nothing impressive or extraordinary. The fact , the engine screw up during the show somehow suggest they quickly try to at least put up something to prove some work or progress been carry out over the time.

i detect a sense of jealousy from the J-20 crowd here.

Come on, the British are equally guilty of that. Falkland?

Falklands was uninhabited before the British settled on it. But even if it was, it does not excuse the British.. or Chinese for that matter.

Put yourself in the mind of the Chinese.

30 million Chinese dead at the hands of Japan. Japanese invasions in 1895, 1931 and 1937.

Invasion and occupation by Western troops in various parts of China from 1841 to 1997.

This is what it means to the Chinese people in having a weaker military than nations who sees China as the enemy. You put the Chinese race at the mercy of foreigners who have already demonstrated a history of rape and murder on the Chinese mainland.

Defense comes before a social welfare system because without security you can’t build anything.

Already the Japanese are hyping a Chinese “threat” and to many Chinese this means that Japan intends to keep China weak so that the option of attacking the Chinese mainland is viable.

China has been humiliated and invaded by western countries and Japan in the past.
But has China invaded other countries? its a question to think about as well.
no country is a saint.

Typical newbie behavior, not obeying the story I am telling you, you are anti-x/y/z or nationalist. What’s new except the id?

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/06/10/2010061001164.html

judging by the postings in this thread, it is clear that you are the sole person who is denying North Korea’s involvement. You have posters from a variety of countries who believe the evidence against North Korea is strong. The fact that you are grasping at straws by posting links to conspiracy theory sites, or selectively choosing links that agree with you, indicates that your logic is strongly driven by your pre-existing bias favoring N.Korea and against S.Korea. This can be seen by you pointing out my posting history, even though it should have no significance to the issue of why the ship sank. (note that the Russian statement you quoted above, tries to downplay N.Korea’s involvement, but offers no reason or evidence to why they came to that conclusion).

either you mature yourself and acknowledge the flaws in your logic, or come back with better evidence to support your theories and conspiracies

do anyone have the links to the source that claim Russia gave China the license? I see it mention all the time but not prooved.

MP, expert back RI-S. Korea jet fighter project

Planned cooperation between Indonesia and South Korea to start a joint project on jet fighter production received strong support from a lawmaker and researcher here on Friday but they warned that it will need to undergo feasibility studies.

“The joint cooperation is good for Indonesia because it will help us revitalize our defense industry.

However it is strongly recommended both countries conduct thorough feasibility study,” Kemal Azis Stamboel, lawmaker from the House of Representatives Commission I overseeing defense and intelligence told The Jakarta Post on Friday.

Kemal added that among points to be looked into in the study would be an assessment of possible future conflict between the two countries.

“This policy applies for all potential partner countries because of course we don’t want to be caught out if it occurs,” he added.

Initiated during a visit to Indonesia by South Korean President Lee Myung-bak last year, both countries are now gearing up to sign a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the fighter production, which will be called “KFX project”.

According to secretary-general of the Defense Ministry Deputy Marshal Eris Haryanto, the MoU is likely to be signed at the end of this year. After the signing, a joint team comprising experts from both countries will be formed.

This team would be tasked with building five prototypes of the aircraft before 2020. After achieving the break even point target of 200 units, the aircraft will be ready for mass production.
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Using the KFX-201 model as the representative of Korea’s stealth program is inaccurate. The main design that is preferred is the KFX-101 because it is a stealthier design and also less riskier.

note the curved intake that go around the internal bay, unlike the Russian pak-fa.

it is likely that if Korea and Indonesia go ahead, then Turkey will also join to supplement their F-35.