My thanks for your comprehensive reply. I thought I was correct in thinking the BE2e observer was in the front, but it was the last photo on your website (seen elsewhere) that rather threw me. The camera position suggested that the pilot was responsible for its operation, something I thought would be the observers responsibility. That set me wondering how much observing an observer could actually do in this type as it appears that his field of earthward vision was extremely limited – certainly more so than in the FE2.
Brian
Mark,
I hear what you say, but is there any chance you could email me a copy at monbrythATaolDOTcom? I love a challange (even though I’ll probably end up with egg on my face).
Brian
Mark,
Do you have Photoshop or some similar program? If so it might be worth trying the ‘Adjust lighting’ option – by reducing the shadow, or changing the ‘levels’ you will find there is considerably more detail visible in the background.
Brian
The THUM Flight aircraft landed at Speke only to hand the met information gathered during a sortie to the met office. The only other airfield at which the THUM Flight was based was Hooton Park between 1 May and 12 July 1951.
Brian.
The reason for my request for help is that I am researching the early life of Capt C K M Douglas, AFC, who I know was flying at/near Brooklands betwen June and September 1917. I assumed he was with an RFC squadron, but I now know this was not the case and he might have been testing aircraft that were manufactured there.
Could anyone confirm that RFC pilots were so employed (testing factory aircraft) or would this only have been done at an Aircraft Acceptance Park?
TIA
Brian
Nick,
I’ve spoken to John Barthram (he was the Senior Forecaster in those days) and he tells me the forecaster who was the Spitfire pilot was Harry Wilkinson. He rarely spoke of his time in the RAF, which explains my lack of knowledge, but he was discussing downdraughts with John one day and during the conversation told him about the day he was returning at low level towards Dover from a sortie with two other Spitfires. They were ahead of him and as they approached the cliffs he saw them just disappear into the sea. He was far enough behind to take avoiding action, but it turned out they had flown into a downdraught from the cliffs.
I repeat the anecdote as told and have no reason to disbelieve it.
(This all seems a long way from the original thread.)
Brian
I think you will find they are identical, the difference arises because of the sun’s angle at the time of each shot. The shadow to the left of the one with an apparently flat white shows distinct ridges.
Brian
Not that I recall Nick, but two of them, ‘Tiny’ Mentz and John Barthram (both still with us) were Met Air Observers with the Met Squadrons (517 518, etc). John lives near me in Devizes.
The lean-to that housed the met office is clearly visible on the airfield side of the middle hanger of Philip’s photos.
The stand of trees on the other side of the road was there in 1912.
Brian
It’s a small world Nick – and I’ll go along with 5 km. When I first arrived, in the summer of 1966, the met office was housed in what was effectively a lean-to on the south side of the hanger. We weren’t too busy in those days and on fine summer’s evenings would put the telephone on the window-sill (just in case someone was rude enough to disturb our reverie) and sit outside in the sunshine watching the sea-breeze front come up the Avon valley.
And, yes, I too can remember Hercs landing at Upavon.
Happy days.
Brian
Interesting thread. As Aeronut notes, the present Upavon airfield is the site of the old South Airfield. The North Airfield stretched northeast from the extreme top right of the photo sent by Chris. The original hangers for South Airfield were in exactly the same orientation as the ones in the photo. The sheds of the North Airfield were aligned parallel to the white track extending north from the A342 and through the two brick buildings just to the west of that. I have two photos of Upavon, one dated 1912 and the other 1913 that show the two sites and hangers if you are interested.
“Wings over Wiltshire” by Rod Priddle (ALD Design and Print, ISBN 1901587347) has a (relatively) recent photo of the Larkhill sheds on page 169.
Peter has rather promoted me, I was certainly a forecaster at Upavon (1966-75) but not a Senior Forecaster at that time. It shames me to say it but I knew little of the camp’s history whilst working there, but my knowledge has increased considerably in recent years.
Brian
My thanks gentlemen, much appreciated; that is just the background I needed.
Brian
If ‘alantissi’ still contributes to the forum I’d be grateful if he could contact me privately. I’ve only just found this thread about Phillip Pinkham but I have an interest in him in respect of his time with the Mildenhall Meteorological Flight. Between November 1936 and February 1939 this 2-pilot unit maintained an unbroken record of met ascents (twice daily, one Wed and Sat, none Sun) even when other units were unable to fly due to the weather conditions (thick fog, heavy snow etc). During this time three pilots were awarded the AFC for their contributions to the unit’s work; two were F/O Stoddart and F/O Hall, and the other P/O Pinkham.
My interest is in the history of the Meteorological Flights and I would very much appreciate a sight of Pinkham’s citation for his award.
TIA
Brian
Linz,
You could try sending your images to the RAF Museum for identification. I did that with an item salvaged from a Halifax that was brought down near Saumur in France, and received a very prompt response (but perhaps it was a quiet day).
Brian
Researching the history of the RAF Meteorological Flights 1913-1959. OK, I know it was the RFC pre-April 1918.
bRIAN
Many thanks indeed Kev, that is extremely helpful. The additional info about the aircraft type is similarly appreciated. I knew from a visit to Kew yesterday that he was flying in an FE2e when he was wounded, but was not aware of the other variations of the type.
Now all I have to do is work out why he was at Brooklands in August and Sept 1917 when he should have been at Spitalgate, but that’s my problem. (Advice from another source had placed him with 83 Sqn on 11.4.1917.)
Regards
Brian