And what is crediblity of those reports? The only thing credible is chief

desinger interview. Every thing else is just speculation. R-77 came with

Su-30MK in an around 2001-2002. By that time SD-10 tests were well

underway. It is unlikely Russia will release technology before actually

making profit from the product. So again think logicially.

Logic= SD10 designers speech.
Everything else is illogical.
Oy Vey very logical indeed.
Just figured out why you got the name.

I agree. The SD10 is all there is, it is the beginning and the end.
So it is written and so it is said. *

*Enter elephants, parade , cheerleaders and the trumpets.

Hmm.

Now getting back to topic and fun apart.
Russia may release tech- downgraded perhaps. But the designers may use the same whilst developing their own. Using mature tech would speed up the program and allow more to be done faster.
The earlier SD10 tests may well have been unguided launches and the deal for guidance may have been struck later. No big deal. Happens all the time. See how the Indians are going about with their BVRAAM development. Though they have chosen MBDA instead of Russia

So what are the other urgent priorities?(keep in mind financial and industrial

strenght).

Hey didnt I mention them already?
K: My name is..K
SD: So whats your name
K: My name is..K
SD: So whats your name then?

Whew. We’ll be stuck, dontcha think.

Why the Rafale alone? Cant the Typhoon be reconfigured for a Naval role?

They can afford to do both the core issues and the Su upgrades.

And its not just a matter of GCI and AWACS. Those things for example do not improve your weapons compatibility. Your Su armed with only AA-10s for BVR is going to suck against opponents who carry some of the best BVR missiles inventories in the entire world. Taiwan alone carries MICA, Skyswords, AIM-7Ms (which I personally think is still better than the Alamo), and no sh*t—block C AMRAAMs. They’re the first non US customer to have the AIM-120C.

Its crucial for the PLAAF to attempt to even out the BVR edge by having R-77 capable aircraft, which requires an upgrade on the Su-27. This is only going t o be a short term solution—the longer term one would be to get the Chinese Su’s to use indigenous BVR missiles like the SD-10. Let’s face it R-77 production is not going to satisfy the needs of everyone, considering you can’t make if fast enough to fit a growing market from India, China, Malaysia, etc,. And the missile will be expensive. Logistically, and cost wise, it would be better for China to develop a competitive BVR missile of its own. China can produce as many as it wants for the lowest costs.

If Russia agrees to integrate SD-10 on Russian radars meant for the Su-27 and Su-30MKK, it would save the PLAAF some expense. But the Russians would have to bite on losing potential R-77 sales in the process. But if they did not agree to this, China would still go ahead and put their own SD-10 capable radars on all their planes meant for air superiority (with the exception of the MKK which is meant for strike). So it may be better to save the radar sales at the expense of the missile sales. Personally I think the firm of Phazotron is willing to integrate Chinese missiles so it can have some sales in the mainland.

The upgrade appears to be in a negotiation stage with the Russians even as China pursues its own developments on SD-10 integration. The following months may reveal more information as the story develops.

I think that the PLAAF has had a lot on its kitty. Hence even Alamos would have sufficed till the recent Adders trickled in.
I disagree that the Chinese would go ahead and put their own radars in- with the attitude consequences be damned. First, those sets with upgrade can be remade into pretty potent ones. They need not be discarded.
And secondly, the russians can snip in a million ways. Given the importance of the Flanker fleet to the PLAAF’s edge- I really dont think that the PLAAF is going to mess around with any chance of spares disruptions or contractual wrangling.
Frankly, I find the PLAAF to be ramping up its capabilities logically and slowly. Hence they can afford to go the gradual path to face tomorrows ROCAF instead of starting at A+ level having spent much dinero on unfamiliar tech. The way things are going- the PLAAF spent a decade familiarising itself with its first fourth gen fighter and can now be confident wrt its abilities and what it wants from it.
The Russians will agree to integrate SD10’s ultimately on the Su’s- they would have factored it in otherwise, why release the seeker and datalink?
The point is that the source codes will remain in Russian hands and the upgrades will be carried out by Russian field reps – thats how their system works.

Hey Janes editors are pretty decent, thank you very much! Didnt catch them topless, have you?

India build an aesa radar, please! They don’t have the foundries. They can only buy parts from other countries and put them together. Anyone can do that. If India is so good at designing things why don’t they design some soap and deodorant for their smelly population, I would think that should be a higher priority than an aesa radar.

Billy,

We’d be happy to give you some work designing soap for our smelly population- social benefits y’know. But first I’d like to request you to get out of your habit of smelling people’s butts. Its rather annoying at best.

As regards foundries and suchlike- I am glad to inform you that India already has a MMIC centre at the GAETEC (Gallium Arsenide Tec) centre set up by the DRDO.

When you are done sniffin’ we could have a civilized conversation.

And why should one assume that the PLAAF would have upgraded the birds? ALl these days they would have been enough, even now they are relevant systems.
Obscolescence is a relative term.
With AWACS and effective GCI support, the avionics on the birds dont play as critical a factor as they could be in a force which lacks the same.
Given the depth of the modernisation necessary for the PLAAF, it makes ample sense that they would be concentrating on the core issues rather than goldplating their Su’s with continuous upgrades.

How can you be sure 100% that China can not do it after so many years

of licensing? Sukhoi official themselves told Richard fischer that by end of

decade J-11 will 100% indigenous.

Because I know the amount of effort it takes and becuase I also know that sometimes economics wont justify the decision, given the effort involved. Return on investment after all.
And lastly, I can wager as to how the Russians work in this respect- trust me they give no quarter.
And they can go to extreme lengths to protect their investment.
The J11 being 100 indigenous- laudable but wont be true imho. I am not trying to flame here- just offering my honest perspective.
Most of the critical avionics components etc will remain Russian.
What the Russians normally do is that they set up a representative office in the fld of question. This guy or guys are the ones who implement upgrades, program avionics etc. They also make sure somethings are not trifled around with. Apart from all these will be the umpteen contractual provisions that specify that China will have to purchase x from y plant at certain baseline prices and so on and so forth. Thats how the system works…
Russia would not like it for eg if China tries to put its own radars into the a/c and will safeguard against such issues contractually.
Now China can still go ahead and try to rev eng but they will not be able to apply the same blatantly in their owbn lic produced J11’s, they will probably use them as spin off’s elsewhere.