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  • in reply to: Agni II #2058437
    Karna
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    Bombardier offered a better deal than Saab.

    Final news about the swedish deals are expected end of this year.

    Inshallah.

    (wasn’t this topic about Agni-II and missiles? )
    thank you.

    This year end, next year end, the year after that….and so the sundry excuses
    trot out.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058440
    Karna
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    Guys
    Dont bother with Karna, it wont be a debate, just a langing match, you cannot counter with facts and articles, only chest thumping. We haveall made our point, let him wallow now…

    What “we”? Y’mean the Pakistani brigade you “wallow” with in tin your usual “down with them infidels” hangouts.. So glad you bought them over here to back you up.

    Figures.

    The only one stuck in nationalist mode is you, with your rather sad and repetitive presence on propoganda threads and fanciful comments on the lines of the PAF buying Gripens etc…

    Get a grip. Get a life. Get a job.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058473
    Karna
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    out of arguments. the guy has lost it. Please leave him alone.

    thank you.

    Funny- I am doing the same with you. Of course, trolls like you are not known for debating skills.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058475
    Karna
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    I agree, Karna, other then your theorys on why the CIA, DRDO and Indian officials are all wrong and you are right, why dont you try and put some facts to back your case up…….

    ROTFLMAO.

    Talk about CHUTZPAH…

    Why dont you put up facts to prove your (in)famous comments about:

    1. PAF F7’s having superior BVR and ECM
    2.Gripens purchased
    3.Erieyes purchased

    Facts-all that wailing you are doing about DRDO and Karnad etc- is backed up by none other than pure nationalistic BS.

    If you guys want more Ns pointed towards you- be my guest, rejoice!
    That would make any sane individual worry …but then sanity is in short supply on this thread and agit-prop rules the day..

    in reply to: Agni II #2058482
    Karna
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    You are making senseless posts now. Go read from Hindustan Times what Aatre has said regarding the Agni nuclear delivery system. He says it is far from operational.

    He said no such thing. Quit BS’ing. Its getting rather amusing. 😀

    in reply to: Agni II #2058483
    Karna
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    Arshad i know it is old. Its from 2000. I just wanted to show that all these articles do add up to DRDO’s confession that its nuclear delivery system is dysfunctional.

    So u can very much claim that that interview i provided from 2000 is very much authentic in its claims. Because DRDO’s confession from the news article u provided dated AUG 31 2004 proves so.

    By the way i really liked this part of the interview where Karnad says :

    “I am very respectful of Pakistan, and I have always said so. Why? Because their margin of error is so little. That is why they don’t take any chances. Like the Israelis. You have to beg, borrow or steal to ensure your security. In our case, we think we are a subcontinent and who cares? The drought kills millions, but there is a billion more, so who cares?

    That is the difference. I am not surprised that the Pakistanis are so motivated, so dedicated and so resolved to have what they want. Bhutto said, ‘We’ll eat grass, but we’ll have it [the nuclear bomb].’ They got it! They got it! “

    Merely parroting some falsehoods does not truth make.

    1.DRDO is not in charge of the N setup.Its the DAE.

    2.DRDO confessed nothing- they merely said that they were training the IA and that the Agni 2 was ready.

    3.You do realise that the sight of Pakistanis eating grass and having the bomb is no grounds for pleasure.

    4.Get off your infantile high horse and think of what the above cost you in terms of economic development.

    Grass eating..and that sets your nationalistic antennae a frenzy.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058509
    Karna
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    just like the caption of the rediff interview reads “We are great at fooling ourselves”

    That you are, that you are….now let me not disturb you all.:D

    in reply to: Agni II #2058510
    Karna
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    Karna
    I will leave yoru complex explanations as to why Indias lack of missile delivery systems to yourself. I think its awfully dangerous to asume what these people are saying is wrong if I was an Indian, if they are telling the truth (which you and I cannot possibly know for certain), then India has no second strike capability whatsoever…..

    Its actually worse for you guys. But that somehow makes you happy. Wow.

    As to India’s “lack of missiles delivery systems”…y’can hope. 🙂

    I guess the same bravado which believes that India has no second strike capability dan lead to some pretty strange decision making…

    *Shrug*

    in reply to: Agni II #2058511
    Karna
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    No offence, but u make it sound like a Hindi Movie. You can be a good Indian movie director.

    The CIA report, the Karnad interview, and yesterdays’s DRDO confession. What else do you want?

    ROTFLMAO. Y’ Pakistani’s crack me up with your genius.

    Let me get this straight:

    1. A Hawk is pulling rabbits outta his hat to have more N’s pointed towards you.

    2. The DRDO guy goes on record stating that a N missile is operationalized and handover to army is underway etc

    3. A US report appears which would only make Indian policy makers ramp up their posture wrt y’ guys….

    And y’ think all the above is grounds for pleasure? 😀

    in reply to: Agni II #2058515
    Karna
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    sumaid the article u provided is very old, it doesnt come from an insider but a analyst which have always different opinions. the one i provided comes from the DRDO chief. he is saying that the agni 2 is not ready YET. but as i said agni 2 is more aimed at china then pakistan. they can cover pakistan with other missiles and delivery systems.

    Actually he is saying the Agni 2 is ready and DRDO is training the IA to boot.

    Now you can parse this any number of ways, but what it does mean,in the palin jane context, is that Agni2 has been operationalised.

    Why? Because Prithvi has been delegated to a conventional strike weapon apparently…thats my take.

    in reply to: Agni II #2058534
    Karna
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    Well, its funny, people like Karanad, the head of DRDO etc It all seems to add up, these are not just lone voices in teh dark, but sveral senior establishment figures.

    Iyengar was never the head of DRDO.

    All Iyengar wants is more tests- why wouldnt he? More money and funding for DAE and more Agnis cant hurt….

    Nor is Karnad an established figure. He is a maverick.
    No establishment figure wants to be near Karnad (not “Karanad”)- that’d be the kiss of death.. dude is waaaaaaaaaaay too jingo.

    Note only Karnad claims Iyengar is in his corner…but if you look up Iyengars speeches, he gives the word “diplomacy” a new meaning..:D
    Ambiguity rocks!

    From my POV, its good to have hawks they keep the doves at bay. Balance and all that.

    But from the Govt pov, with the mandate to improve the Indian nation and keep the current rate of growth sustainable…having a hawk in the NSAB asking for non required moon shine ..isnt fun either…

    So Karnad exists on the fringes….asking for more N bang..

    in reply to: Agni II #2058537
    Karna
    Participant

    Whats becoming a drag is the fact that people claim lots of things about Indias capabilities which are then contridicted by Indian offcials and independent sources. Remember the US report stating Pakistans nuclear and missile superiority over India?

    Yawn….the same US that couldnt detect Pokhran?

    Give it a break, your obsession with flag waving is getitin’ waaaaaaaaaay too repetitive. 😀

    in reply to: Agni II #2058538
    Karna
    Participant

    You guys can rest easy by believing Karnad and then in the same vein talk of disarmament..fact of the matter is Karnad is the biggest hawk there is.
    He wants India to be upto its gills in N stuff….

    Gives his comments a bit of an agenda doesnt it?

    Thats the exact reason why the dude was dropped from the Indian NSAB- the nodal agency that oversees the N planning and doctrine.

    Even by Hawk stds, Mr Karnads theories and desires were overkill by far…

    Of course, dont mind my saying so and disturbing this nationalistic whose dong is better thread…

    Adios!

    in reply to: Photos of airplanes shot down by missiles (SAM or AAM) #2660404
    Karna
    Participant

    You missed his point KARNA. He provided a very valid fact. Please read Muhammad Ali’s post again.

    Usman can provide you with the interview of the person who shot down the Mig-21. It was an Anza .

    thank you.

    He provided no facts. Merely a hypothesis. And as regards interviews provided by Usman (who appears to be the one stop source shop for all the claims made by others in his name), they can be mere puffery and Govt PR.

    in reply to: Photos of airplanes shot down by missiles (SAM or AAM) #2660458
    Karna
    Participant

    There is no means of being certain about which missiles shot down the Mi-17 in Kargil. However, the Stinger could be a likely candidate. However, its also possible that more than one type was used. The reason why only stingers were recovered from the reclaimed heights is that it could provide Pakistan with some amount of deniablity as Stingers have been widely exported during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Thus, if the government in Pakistan was saying its Mujahideen or watever, it would not look too well if they were using KRL produced Anzas. However, the Mig-21 was certainly shot down by a regular army unit and I have no reason to doubt it was an Anza that did the job.

    Nice post but it could be equally plausible that the official PR would rather that an Anza was seen to do the job and tom tommed that.

    Similarly, regular army units use the Stinger as well, dont they?

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