I think it is highly realistic to expect that Russia invents PakFA and hands over the entire technology to India in the next 5 years. India contributes now only in financing a part. There is no industry capable to compete in this field in a normal way. I agree that it is bigger chance that USA gets a bigger deal to counter China.

Besides that… How many cheap rockets can be destroyed if system is saturated and how much will it cost?

The “fanboy” claim aside even serious military do behave in a similar way.
Still “playing” around with “early MiGs” or to deal by that with “Third World Forces” in short. Something what led to the Cope India disaster, when the Indians did refuse to show that estimated “Third World behavior” or when the Israelis leaked some results. The Swedish and French pilots have no problems to engage the NATO trained crews in multi-national exercises. It does not matter really, because NATO forces have not to face challenging state of the art forces for some time to come. Hence the own staged “Red Forces” do pose the highest estimated threat in the present time. The gentleman agreement or the so called military secrets do even keep such exercise results from the public. Just some inhouse results like the scores in gunnery or bombing exercises were published sometimes.

India is not better then USA. If you add the reasons why the US could not win then you might understand that your post is not to the point. If you restrict the F15 that much even the Gnat would have won the battle. It is like asking the F16 not to use AB, not use BVR or radar and fight against 1n v 4n or worser. Would you still say it is a fair fight which represents the reality? I think we overestimate the outcomes. We heard MKI was the best yet it was only used as bomber in Red Flag and even then without radar. There were many excuses why it shot many friendlies but we have to remember that a real combat is nothing compared with the real fight. Neither do I believe that Israeli pilots are super humans. It is like telling that the F16 is the best in the world, you will see lot of people take that as for real. 😉

OLD PIC of first design. Heres newer design in production. OP compare pic with Mig 21 (birds eye view) and then get back to me.

C’mon. It has wings, engine and cockpit. It is the same. 😉 We have these kind of below average discussions on J10 and FC1 numerous times and frankly the posters are the same. I think the F5 is the real dad. Certainly the Tigershark.

no more LCA everywhere…J10 is just a newcomer of 3re gen fighters(first flight in 1998, get into service in 2003, and just 5 regiments were formed by now, 2 more ongoing, about 180 J10A in total ),nothing more, how could this paper plane compare to the superb LCA?(especially the legend–MK2 coming in 2012 )…

let’s focus on the topic, but I have to say it’s none sense itself, maybe we should start this discussion when more details of J10B are revealed or the first contract is inked…J10 hasn’t proved itself in a combat or market.that’s why I call it a paper plane…J10A could barely compare to the early models of mature bird f16. and this new model B means chinese aviation industry is trying to improve it with new knowledge and technology absorbed recently…

J10 has been(not “is likely to”) in mass production in china… the second J10 assemble line is working. the new pics taken near 132 factory at the end of 2009 show loads of new J10As in yellow skins are test flying. the 7th J10A regiment has got first 4 in mid Dec 2009 and I will be happy to prove it with reality(pics and news) not the vanity(such words as “will”,”project”,”plan” which we have heard too much from XXXXXX ). and since 2003,about 180 J10As have entered into service, about 30 jets/year . not too slow…Let’s wait to see the another ‘likely’ to happen. only time will tell.

How onesided.

I would know how a missile can reach mach 6 flying low. What is low? The add looks more like commercial then something to be used to extract academic data from. I have to smile when reading that Pakistan does noit know its fate. Idnian journalism is one special case, isn’t it? 😉

I think it is a significant step for a nation to achieve this. The comment of Zhi Feng that it is just noise is stupid. The entire economy of the US will be ruined if China wants to have the cash returned. China is not a military superpower (which is strange cause I think it is but not based on ruling others) but surely it is the fastest growing economy. One dimensional thinking is often lack of knowledge.

why’re you bringing the LCA into this thread ? did he mention it ? you seem to make such inflammatory comments on the LCA all the time. Maybe your intention is nothing more than to spark a flame war ?:mad:

My intention is not near anything you wrote. Maybe you should start reading how some wrote in this J10 topic. 😉