Maybe that explains why PN stopped AWACS-Orion option quietly and they are after Chinese options. Same goed for reducing F16C/D and clearly moving towards FC20. In the past Pakistani ACM said openly that USA is not reliable and they prefer to have differentiated airforce just in case. I think it is now moving away from differentiated to non boycottable (Chinese + westrern goodies) and inhouse production. The F16 case had some serious doubts when USN refused to return the boycotted F16’s. PAF was trying hard cause these planes were according Pakistani wishes but the Obama administration has been less friendly to Pakistan to provide what is promised but doing everything to sell more advanced weapons to its opponent. I think the US will not only have less admires in the Pakistani population (UAV attacks) but also to its forces that see that they are forced to die for them but bearly see weapons to do the fighting.

It has been a same idea as the way refurbished Cobra’s were deolvered. A few to the wrong factory and ages before they were delivered. There is more politics involved then sincerity.

See, you initially brought thie issue of JF-17 on the first page of this thread.

PLAAF has no stated need for JF-17, and has no announced any intention to induct it. It is solely for export only. As per Chinese fora, it is not allowed to even participate in official air-shows, and tests along with other jets like J-10 or J-11.

I’ve been hearing “been offering” since 2006. These countries always have avionics for retail sale, be it for Su-30 MKI, Gripen, Mirage-2000 upgrades for middle-east countries etc.

However, for JF-17 there has been nil progress on any front, except a press statement by ex-PAF chief that European package and European engine will be considered beyond the current batch of 40. He didn’t specify exactly which engine and what avionics package PAF needed.

Arey bhaisahab, where is the engine for the next batch of JF-17s after the current 40 is ready by 2013 ? The PAF chief was silent on which European engine will be adopted for the next batch of 40, to be constructed starting 2013.

Atleast in case of Tejas Mk.2, the choice of engines is clear : 100 units of either Eurojet or GE-F414. Both companies have submitted their RFPs last month to ADA. Bidding winner will be announced in a few month’s time.

Weapons on Tejas have been decided. Delivery timetables too have been decided (IoC certificate by next year, First squadron by 2011).

No, because IAF has committed to inducting 40 Tejas Mk.1 jets also. Depending on a customer’s requirement, even these can be put for export, just like Gripen C/D is. You are aware that Tejas Mk.1 as it flies today, is equivalent to Gripen C/D (same engine thrust, empty weight, weapon-stations, litening target pod, HMDS, internal fuel, RWR etc.)

The Tejas Mk.2 has no selected engine, just as the JF-17 too has no engine “in sight” after the first batch of 40 are inducted into PAF.

The fact that you not know what the have planned doesn’t mean there is nothing. Neither will mean a lot of plans that something will improve. 😉

Indeed and the basic trainer is Super Mushaq (since they all were upgraded). This plane is going to have another upgrade so we will see a glass cockpit as standard.

Maybe they are so good they need no LIFT 🙂

I think the PAF has a path with after the K8 the FT7. The JJ-9 is pretty much the same.

The JF-17 has been rejected by the primary manufacturer, China. It has been purchased by PAF on an outstanding credit loan of a few hundred million dollars from China. Since PAC Kamra itself cannot make any profit on this, considering it has “bankrolled” it’s development, exports are out of question for the forseable future.

Note that it’s engine emits smoke, and the current PAF chief is on record saying that a European engine will be sought for JF-17 (news report posted much earlier) in future batches. It is clear that PAF is not satisfied with the RD-93.

PAF chief has only expressed that a European package may be sought in the future batch beyond the current batch of 40. There have been no negotiations for any European package so far, bar for the speculated Italian pulse doppler radar.

The price of JF-17 has very recently been estimated to finally cost $20 m to $23 million, and not $15 million as conventionally believed.

A fighter jet, which is not being inducted in the original Air Force (PLAAF), will have little export prospects. Please note that nations like Algeria, Nigeria, Myanmar and Morocco are purchasing Su-30, MiG-29 and Rafales. It is hard to see a low-medium fighter like JF-17 compete with such jets.

How can one take such posters serious. 😉

I guess Pakistan has learned nothing from the Bangladesh debacle. You can’t depend on other countries to pull your chestnuts out of the fire.

Well, Why is India still importing anything it needs for attacking others? 😉 USA is superpower on credit and India looks like importing a title.

Here from a well known Indian blog:
Manufacturing world-class arms and ammunition will be a challenge for Indian private companies, involving as it does expensive and closely guarded technologies. Admitting that a foreign partner would be essential, an industry source said, “Small arms manufacture is as much an art as an industrial process. We will have to tie up with a foreign partner like, perhaps, Heckler & Koch. An FDI cap of 26% means that they will be reluctant to transfer crucial technologies; we may be limited to licensed manufacture.”

When at the same time China BM are seen as carrier killers one UK carrier that might end up in Indian hands is so much difference? I do not think the IN will present any danger in the future. Neither will the big MKI do that. Last time they were sent in action to Pakistan to make some “punitive actions” they turned 180 degrees as fast as possible. At that moment PAF had only outdated Mirages, F7p and PG doing CAP. Neither had it BVR.

rimmer: Just look at the number of posts of certain posters and what they try to do. Just ignore them. It is not good for the forum to react on all those posts.