Nobody expected that K8 would achieve big numbers. It did. I think the JF17/FC1 will have more success. It is indeed more then most nations need, yet very affordable and without the political strings.

Difference is radar/avionics/ecm and weapons. Pakistan is not buying ready to fly fighterjets but empty and still a lot to develop J10’s…

When did IRIST get integrated on any PAF airplane? Being seen in expos is no guarantor of purchase. I mean, just because meteor gets shown in an expo in East Asia, that does not mean East Asian AFs are buying it! Or because AIM-9X is seen in the US pavilion at AeroIndia, does not mean the IAF has already purchased it!

Did I say PAF f16? Where exactly? Maybe you should read the post first before joining people like Misraji that paste copy parts and try to make something impossible out of it. There are F16’s that have IrisT as weapon. Googling isn’t that difficult, is it my friend? 😉

The level of message reminds me that the 10-801 had no CFT and all over the net was suddenly posted that PAF f16’s block52 had no CFT…

The F-22 will not participate against PAF F-16. So there is still minimum chance of F-16 killing a SU-30MKI.

If we have to rely on these opinions then there is the usual my plane is better fight. Rajan, the MKI is not a superduper plane. The fight depends on many factors and superior planes have been shot down very often and even in huge numbers. If you guys give some facts then we can continue. Otherwise please do not waste bandwith.

Maybe they have only ground attack missons or excluding BVR or use of sensors… We can say nothing and we do not know who shot who if they ever are doing that. I think, as far as I know, PAF does not comment on how many aircraft they shot down. That kind of journalism is not part of PAF and only gets open after people exit PAF after many years… If ever.

Do remind that a T38 pilot had a f22 kill…

Let us focus on facts.

go with ROSE Mirages to face F-16 Block 60s, Rafales, Typhoons and F-22s ? :rolleyes:even the current F-16As aren’t much of a match for anything else in the exercise.

We have no idea what they have sent and we do not even know what they are going to do. And it is pretty much obvious that there is nothing better in the entire world if you compare with F22, EF2000 and rafales… What would you send to skip the smile in your comment? But with whatever they go, they will learn a lot. The experience to be there is pretty much something a lot of pilots would love to do. 😉

I agree that not “all” cause there is plenty room to add more in the open archtecture.

But if you know that:

-The first consignment of two pre-production (small batch production, SBP) aircraft was received in Pakistan, arriving in dismantled form, on 2 March 2007.

-Somewhere in june 2008 they received some 6 planes…

It was noted that it was flight and weapon testing.

They have planned lots of alternatives but I think it is strange to start local production if most weapon testing is not done giving the time they already have the SBP. I agree that we hardly see any evidence but unfortunately that is the way it is done.

Personally I think that the platforms are both light and agile. The difference is the agility on certain altitudes. A delta doing better at higher. The F16 was produced and used in bigger numbers. It evolved more but it moved away from being light. The Indian Mirage 2000 upgrade would add Rafale avionics and sensors. I think that would have become a very potent plane. Unfortunately the price was unrealistic for the customer.