US protectionism is rule number one. Sofar he fair chance for everyone. They will schange somehow a rule so one has to be crazy to join. But on the other side, the Russians seem desperate to me if they really think that it would work. What is next? Offering US PAKFA and TOT?

Yeah, suspected as much. Tragically for you both that is the basis for your arguments and opinions. You just tried to accuse a senior PAF officer of sayingdetrimental things about LCA without knowledge of the facts when both of you (probably after searching Google in a panic!) have no evidence to support your claims.

This is embaressing isit not? Especially when on this very thread a few posts ago I was asked for a link about my claims regarding IAF loding a protest to USAF and put up my evidence immediately…

Rimmer,

Oneliners with some copy paste work is usual what shows that there is lack of scientific research. Then you get personal remarks and in the end you have to defend at several topics all about the same. It is a circle we see repeating so it is fun to beat it with facts.

Quadbike:

Objectivity and facts are both very valuable in discussions. Everyone can produce opinions but who cares about that?

And just explaining what someone else said without looking at facts or logic does not mean that we all can take it as the one and only truth. Atleast I will provide the Indian journalist low quality report. I am suprised he makes such conclusions like aircraft x is not manuevrable or it’s dashboard is like a cheap car… It is not a cheap paper but the average Indian media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBf-5MnoBh0

As a testament to the professionalism of the IAF, Air Marshal Fali Major appreciated the JF-17, when he sat in a JF-17 simulator at the SIngapore Air Show. He was frank and honest. In sharp contrast, a former PAF chief about 8 years ago, had the unprofessional attitude to make some unsolicited comments about the Tejas’ avionics (even though he had never seen been in it’s simulator in personal capacity). This contrasting episode speaks volumes.

Can you compare what the LCA cockpit was back then and now? Can you even give comment about Indian sitting in the JF17 cockpit and telling that it was not good…?

Got to love how the Chinese apparently are stealing yet again the intellectual property of others.

Disgraceful.

Well, we do not know the details of (any) deals with the original producer. So jumping to these conclusions is not correct. That the Chinese learn from others by copying is nothing unusual. The Japanese did the same. The Koreans or Taiwanese are no different. You know hoe people reacted in “made in Japan or Taiwan”… Maybe you can call some other nations not much different cause they almost bought everything and call it indigenous. But isn’t it logical to do it that way? Do you expect that these developing nations follow the exact long path as the others? Do you think that other nations that are developed do it the correct way? Just look how JSF partners bleed cause they somehow sell their soul cause they want to join. I think that posting oneliners is easy but the problem is that you cannot expect that is is seen as a serious post. I do not hear you about Apple being furious about HTC stealing their ideas or the other way around… Attacking China is so easy.

If you still want to say its the offical word of USAF and its the word of one AF against the other then you are realy biased in your belief that Su 30 did not do well at Nellis.

I do not think you understood the concept of a forum and neither should you dictate others to accept your opinion as facts. The MKI was not in full mode and did not even participate as real a2a asset. I think that says everything. Let us forget the discussion cause it is going to make neither of us happy.

That nothing compared to the Su-30 having “Tumansky Turbojets“…

To tell ya the truth… I have been talking to pretty good trained F16 pilots with more then a few trainings and titles and they did make more then a few mistakes talking about their own plane. I am not wondered that during some presentation he forgets x and y etc.

I think they will win…it will also coincide with the LCA engine selection.
The reluctance to sell the U-212 subs to Pakistan is also probably a show of faith from Germany.

U214… And it is not their problem to sell but probably related with the French willing to provide sweets for certain people. I do not see the relation to the topic and adding Pakistan to it. Please try to make not cheap moves in your post.