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  • in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2410591
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    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2410594
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    Planform alignment is a fact in the F-22, you might deny it or dislike it but it does exist in 3D in the F-22, you picture analysis is highly subjective, due to the fact the angle the picture was taken can distort the view, now it is true the F-22 has some compromises, the aircraft has wing fuselage blending and same is with the boom tailplane blending, like any aircraft aerodynamics have to be prioritized,

    Maybe take a look to the side?
    Leading edge of the differter, inlets and fins point in differents direction.
    Where is your planform?
    That what you see on the photos happens whit Radarwaves too, we are in the optical behavior of HF. :diablo:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/F-22_fires_AIM-9X.jpg

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2410803
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    More modern is the theory about the continuous curvature.

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2410881
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    Whit planform has you a RCS peak in the planform direction.
    The YF-22 has a greater wing sweep angle therfor is this peak wider outwarts as for the F-22. Then is a twisted leading edge better for the worst chase scenario, Radar wave 90° towards the leading edge. 😉
    Another place with non planform is the outer wing trailing edge and the tail of the stab. The F-22 use clear no real planform. 2D and 3D geometry two different things.

    Maybe sould you use better photos?!

    The leading edge are for interrest and not the shadows.:diablo:

    Then use maybe a lienal first then see you that the fin and the airframe use different angles.
    It’s simple pointless use planform at this point. We have not a plan geometry, we have the the fin profile a straigth side panel.
    Then point the leading egde of the fin in up the inlet and differter leading edge points in down direction. Where is this planform?!

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2411086
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    You have to consider the following points.
    Any stealth fighter uses basic radar reflection angles, it is around 30 degrees, this is based upon the mathematics of Ufimtsev , basicly all the aircraft surfaces and edges should be align upon that angle

    Not really, Maxwell, Sommerfeld are more important.
    Ufimtsev mathematics allowed only the estimation of the RCS.

    This will be in opposition to the basic canard aerodynamics, if you check the picture of the JSF with canards you posted you will see it is basicly a triangle, its leading and trailing edge have the same angle and and its wing has the same angle.

    Always short coupled and the only long coupled US Canard ends in a fiasco.;)

    If you compare that to an eurofighter Typhoon you will see from the aerodynamic point of view it is much easier to give that angle to the trailing edge of the wing than to the canard. Its canards need to be high aspect ratio while the first stealthy JSF with canards picture shows a low aspect ratio canard.
    Besides most canards are above the wing and most have dihedral.
    this makes aerodynamicly speaking harder to keep the basic angles for planforming

    What is whit the diadral of the F-22 wing?

    The F-22 has a planforming which blends better that angle with the basic aerodynamics, but canards in the Typhoon and other modern fighters need trailings edges with a different angles with respect their leading edges.

    The F-22 planform dump not all reflection to the same point. Simpel the leading edge of the wing is twisted and inlets pointed down. The leading edge of the fins and inlet points in different direction. Inlets down and leading edge up. 😉

    If you look at the F-22, you can see the trailing edge of the tailplane do have the same angle of the wing

    Really, and what with this differents angle?
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/F-22-non-planform.jpg

    Your problem, we are in the optical behavior (HF) and for this point is continuous curvature the better choice.

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2411088
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    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2412521
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    Oh yeah, here’s another dainty little advantage to having twin tails and rear stabs mounted on tail booms:

    You see this blur effect behind the Raptor, this is heat.
    Shielding is not always good it’s prevent aircooling.

    Then rule of tumb: The biggest target in the sky is first to die!

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2412737
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    First of all, canards are analogous to stabs, not TVC.

    And one thing that is often overlooked with TVC is that the effectiveness (or strength) of any control moment they impart on an airframe is totally independant of airspeed and/or air density (i.e. altitude).

    Canards, like all regular control surfaces, rely on airflow to be effective. TVC can effect the same pitching force on an airframe whether the airspeed is ZERO or many hundreds of knots. Not so with canards (or stabs, for that matter).

    At many hundereds knots is a stab or Canard, Evelons more effective simple the can produce more force as a TVC can do . You bleed more energy in the curves with TVC. TVC is usefull for low speed aircircus manoeuvre but speed is live. Then has the F-22 only 2D TVC and not 3D the nose pointing abilities with 2D TVC are only marginal!

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2412804
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    Vortices produced by LERXs during increasing AoA speed up the air going over the wings, lowering air pressure over them, increasing lift… This is aside the fact that LERXs themselves add to the overall lift area of the plane. Extended slats increase wing camber, and they too divert “speedy” air over the wing to help maintain laminar flow over the wing, delaying turbulence formation and subsequent stalling.

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    There is at high AoA no laminar flow!
    The Vortex delaying not a turbulence formation.
    The Vortex throngs the wing leading edge Vortex outside.
    Then works a low aspect highly sweeped leading edge wing a little bit different as you think or belief.

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2412870
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    Not really we should not forget the orginator for the US TVC is Dr. Wolfgang Herbst (MBB).
    With a g-onset rate of 15g/s what sense make then a TVC?

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2412925
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    +1 MiGL, it’s a “If it ain’t broken, don’t fix it” thing.

    http://www.vectorsite.net/avj35.html

    And why revolutionary designed?
    The Saab use German knowhow and some Ex-Messerschmitt-employees designed the Draken.
    Messerschmitt documents find its way via Swiss to Sweden
    The fruit of the Jägernot-Programm are used from all WWII Allies.

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2413303
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    I’m sure that’s the reason.:rolleyes:

    As for the X-32, it was ugly as sin, but it was the hover underperformance, that was the main issue.

    And fly never supersonic after after vertical take off.
    Had some pop stalls.

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2413313
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    The facts are that the LM and Boeing engineers have decided that for the requirements given to them, that they prefer designs that don’t have canards, to achieve the results. It has nothing to do with experience, fear, or not wanting to look too European.

    Or simple the have no balls.;)
    You mean not really this super ugly Boeing monster X-32 this really under performer.

    in reply to: Canards and stealth. . . #2414245
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    The point is that from an aerodynamics point of view, canard-deltas offer no advantages over wing-tails, and that they are at a dinsinct DISadvantage RCS-wise.

    Exactly. Thing is, canards (like VG wings) are a BAD solution if you want to minimize RCS.

    Not really with wing-tails need you a second fin or you have great RCS problem 90° between fin and tail. The Second fin caused now a RCS problem too. More weathered skin and a second leading and trailing edge and this trailing edge is longer as the leading edge at the Thypoon Canard.
    Then is between your wing and tail a gap this is a reflector simpel it’s a change in the resistance. The only way round this problem is avoid a tail (B2).
    Then change a great dihedral angle at a Canard the polarization or transforms circular polarizationin to linear polarization. A polarization mismatch damped ~30dB.

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