I do sometimes wonder what colour the sky is on your planet WH904, you somehow don’t seem to inhabit the same one as the rest of us.
I live in the real world – I try to think for myself and not simply repeat “received wisdom” because it’s often not wisdom at all – it’s often either dogma or nonsense 🙂
Not in my lifetime can I remember a free airshow? Where were these? I clearly missed them.
Er… Finningley every year since I started going in 1967, Binbrook, Coningsby, Lakenheath, St.Mawgan, Alconbury, Scampton, Middleton St.George, Bentwaters, Church Fenton, Abingdon, St.Athan, Leuchars, Valley, Wyton…
The pre-ordered ticket business is deplorable. Okay, it enables the show organisers to regulate numbers and ensure that a capacity crowd is almost guaranteed, but I don’t know how we’ve slipped into a situation whereby the customer shoulders most of the financial liability of the show. It’s not so long ago that most events were free and yet we’ve now reached a stage where it’s usually impossible to simply turn-up on the day and gain admission. Naturally it makes perfect sense for the organisers but from a customer viewpoint it stinks. Buy a ticket and if it rains or if your car breaks-down, we don’t care because we’ve already got your money. Sweet.
It’s a great shame that we’ve moved so far from the days when a capacity crowd was guaranteed because of the aircraft that would be on display, not because we’ve all been persuaded to part with our money before the show has even been set-up.
If I got to the point where I stopped enjoying watching airshows, I’d find a new hobby
I’m afraid the aeroplane bug has stuck with me all my life, so I don’t think there’s much hope of moving onto something new! I started air shows in 1967 when I was (just) old enough to walk. I was lucky to see most of the great air shows through the late 1970s and into the 1980s but these days they just don’t seem worth the effort. It was the first time I’d visited Fairford in about ten years, and I doubt if I’ll bother going again – it’s not like XH558 will be doing a repeat performance! Like yourself, I’ve gleaned more enjoyment from seeing XH558 away from the air shows. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve popped over to Finningley to see the regular take-offs and landings. I find it very hard to resist! 🙂
That is an attitude shared by many and I try to adopt it too – which is why I went to Fairford after having stopped going some years back when it started to become less interesting. It doesn’t stop me concluding that the show isn’t a patch on the “good old days” though! I can’t help thinking I’ll be even less inclined to visit any shows once XH558 has gone!
now we are into how old the audience is and whether RIAT is the show it used to be.
They call it “mission creep” these days 🙂
I think it’s entirely fair. When one judges the event against the Greenham Common days and the early Fairford shows, it was pretty dull. Maybe those who are too young to have seen anything better might have been impressed, but as an IAT it was “okay” at best. I can’t see any reason to mention Spitfire/Typhoon, Blenheim, Red Arrows – they’re common to lots of display venues. Admittedly the Vulcan is too but as I said previously, I think most of us were expecting to be unimpressed by the Vulcan display based on past experience. I can’t imagine how RIAT will be able to make next year’s show any better or even as good. From what I hear, I think there are hopes of an F-35 but I doubt if that will thrill anyone other than the youngsters – it’s not like it isn’t going to be around for a long, long time! As we all know, the UK air show scene is already in a parlous state, and the Vulcan’s departure isn’t going to make things any better.
The Saturday display didn’t include anything that was inappropriate for a Vulcan. The reason it got so much attention was simply because a Vulcan hasn’t been flown that aggressively since the 1980s when Joe L’Estrange was the RAF display pilot. Consequently, a lot of people simply hadn’t seen a Vulcan being flown like that so it was a surprise. Likewise it was a surprise for the rest of us who were expecting the usual sedate demonstration.
Almost all of XH558’s displays in civilian hands have been flown at a very significant distance from spectators. Saturday was the first time I’ve seen the aircraft actually get to the display line and just this was enough to make the display much more interesting. However Kevin also made some of the turns very tight (something that has also been absent from civilian demonstrations) and even performed a very sporty tight right-hand turn on take-off. This was of course Joe L’Estrange’s speciality which most of us will remember from the days of the Greenham Common shows. The landing was also spectacular as the wind conditions resulted in a couple of bounces, and the tail chute was fully deployed while the wheels were still (just) off the ground. The parachute had to be dropped pretty quickly though as the crosswind component was dragging the aircraft off the runway towards the crowd.
As for the “zoom climb”, Kevin has flown similar manoeuvres at shows in the past, but this was the first time that the aircraft actually got to the vertical before commencing its turn, and the first time that the half-loop off the top resulted in the aircraft being completely inverted. So it wasn’t any huge change from Kevin’s usual display manoeuvres, it was just a little more than we were expecting. As for the safety aspect, it is of course entirely safe as the manoeuvre was a routine part of Vulcan operations during its earliest days when LABS manoeuvres were performed. Farnborough shows often included the very same manoeuvre. from what we’ve seen, it seems to simply be a case of pilot preference. Bill Ramsey flew the Sunday display at RIAT and it was by all accounts much more sedate (I read one Twitter comment from someone who felt thoroughly cheated because he’d driven to the show after seeing all the comments surrounding Saturday’s display!) so it seems to be only Kevin Rumens who is prepared to fly the aircraft with such spirit. I guess the others think it is wiser to be gentle with what is a very old aeroplane. But with just ten weekends or so left to continue flying, I guess there’s no need to be quite so gentle any more.
Incidentally, the kind of inverted manoeuvre we’re talking about here isn’t the kind of thing that could be used to “find FOD” as mentioned above. The aircraft has to be kept under positive-g throughout the manoeuvre. This was why the RAF forbade pilots from trying to roll the aircraft during its early days. Avro’s display pilots had the skills to perform barrel rolls that kept the aircraft in positive-g, whereas some service pilots simply didn’t have the knowledge or ability to get it right. I recall a colleague who used to work on Vulcans at Avro and he often told me that on many test flights the sandwich break would often involve some barrel rolls for no reason other than amusement, and he usually carried-on eating his sandwiches whilst sat on the step below the pilots. With positive-g applied he didn’t even know he was upside-down 🙂
I posted some pictures of yesterday’s display on the Aeroplane Icons Twitter page, if anyone wishes to indulge themselves. No photo of the “zoom climb” though. I was far too busy watching it, muttering “ooh, I say!” 🙂
Well sort of… it’s still typically lazy journalism. Basically they’re sitting-back and letting the readers do the work. TV media are just as guilty of the same crime… “email us and send us your views” which is shorthand for “you do the work and contact us, and we’ll broadcast it if we think it’s worth it” 🙂
The Vulcan people are still churning-out the waffle about alleged educational value. It was mentioned again in the commentary yesterday. I don’t know why they persist with it, now that HLF’s funding has been spent. Actually I do have a vague idea why, but then I’m a cynic 😉
Think some of that is to do with the pilot – I believe Bill Ramsey was flying today? Like Martin, he seems to prefer a less aggressive approach to Vulcan displaying. If it was the display committee then I’d be surprised. Surely they don’t profess to know more about it than Kevin does? 🙂
The answers are provided by other corespondents, not by the newspaper. Sometimes they will publish a correction or an addition.
True, this is another classy approach they employ these days. Write any old garbage and if it’s wrong it doesn’t matter, someone will email us with the facts. As ever, one is left wondering why these people get paid. Monkeys could do a better job.
All I know is that it brought a real thrill to what would otherwise have been a fairly dull RIAT. True, the flying display was a decent mix of international military hardware but it was hardly exciting. As ever, the majority of the interesting aircraft were sat motionless in the static park surrounded by assorted junk. I don’t think any of the seasoned observers were expecting anything remarkable from the Vulcan display, but it was a welcome surprise right from the start. A very neat right-hand turn on take-off which was reminiscent of Joe L’Estrange’s performances back in the 1980s. Then we were all delighted to see that the various passes were actually close to the display line instead of being a long way away (as has often been the case with XH558’s display in civilian hands). Then to finish the display a stunning climb into the vertical and a neat roll off the top fully inverted. It was like a Farnborough show from the 1950s, as was the landing with the tail ‘chute being popped before touch-down. Thrilling stuff when one considers how tame the Vulcan performances have been. I guess there’s no reason to pamper XH558 now that the flying will soon be over, so congratulations to Kevin for what was a real tear jerker for more than a few people. It’s not often that one hears a whole air show audience applaud a display act. Not often that I’m impressed by any aviation events these days but yesterday’s performance certainly did it for me! 🙂
It was by far the best display since XH558 began flying in civilian hands. I was actually impressed and I admit that’s a very rare event these days! The take-off was excellent – very similar to the style exhibited by Joe L’Estrange many years ago. The display was at a reasonable distance too, instead of being about a mile away. But the final climb and half roll off the top was just marvellous. By far the highlight of the show. Little wonder applause erupted across the airfield, it was very impressive indeed.
It was Mr Rumens doing the flying – he seems to be the most enthusiastic pilot.