So just having access to specialised materials would put GTRE in a position to design and develop an engine near/equal to M-88 / F414 / EJ200 in performance?
in short, yes.
Witcha, that is no personal attack. just applying his own arguments to another subject to show how hollow it is.
matt, experience in what ? posting on internet forums ? making generic comments by the truckload ? 😀 I daresay kramer is quite right, GTRE’s engine development is stuck due to lack of specialized materials (which is not their area of responsibility in the first place) not due to some unknown knowledge about engine design.
I guess p kischei was declared a loser when (s)he was in kindergarten. 😀
I mean he didn’t have a college degree back then did (s)he ?
I thought, though, that Kaveri had demonstrated better than 5:1 – 6:1 thrust/weight ratio.
fantastic, someone pulls figures out of their ar$e and others continue discussion assuming it is gospel truth.
HAL launched LCA programme in 1983.
The first TD plane of LCA came out of the factory in 1995.
The first Prototype of LCA made its maiden flight in 2003.
IAF declared the IOC for LCA Tejas on Jan. 10, 2011.
What is your definition of 17 years from start of project to IOC ??
Has HAL begun to build the TD plane or the prototype for AMCA right now ??
project was started and more importantly funded from may 1993.
HAL did not launch the project in 1983 or anytime later because LCA is ADA’s project, not HAL’s. ADA itself was formed only in 1984, one year after the LCA project was supposedly launched by it.
the air staff requirements (ASR), the specification LCA is built to, came only in 1985.
in 1983 the govt gave an in principle go ahead and put in some funds to create R&D labs and design study. (and NOT development of a fighter)
project definition was completed by 1989 but the project was put on hold till 1993 due to a severe financial crisis in India.
1983 was the year GOI and IAF agreed in principle to develop a light combat fighter. that is by no stretch of imagination the start of the project.
I am fine with your 1983 start figure if you apply the same standards to other projects and agree that
a) typhoon started in 1971 (when RAF issued a specification)
b) rafale started in mid 70’s, when AdlA and MN issued requirements
etc
Not to mention AMCA ~ IAF hopes that it will be able to enter service at the time of 2025. However, if it takes LCA project almost 30 years to reach FOC, how IAF can be sure that the much more advanced and complicated AMCA will be ready with just half of time that Tejas needed ??
wrong numbers.
it took 17 years from start of project to IOC. FOC would take 18-19 years. this in a country with non existent R&D infrastructure, very little experience, miserly funding and after losing 2 years to US sanctions. given this record and fact that LCA project has already built up capability over a wide variety of domains we have every reason to be optimistic that we will see at least IOC by 2025.
no, that is the RAF motto. both RAAF and RCAF have simply copied it.
really? I mean really?
For all it matters it could just be advertising space bought and paid for in advance.
this.
saab spent an insane amount on advert and lobyying, probably more than any two of the other competitors combined.
Consolation Prize to Dassault in advance ??
In case the Typhoon is declared as winner next year ,the French government and Dassault would have very little to complain about because the Indians would say’ Hey guys look ,we paid a fortune for the upgrade of your 25+ years old Mirage’s so what do you want more ?Indians are good at damage control .Boeing lost the MMRCA and received an order for 10 C-17’s !
it was no such thing. boeing would have received C-17 orders irrespective of MRCA outcome. this whole damage control/consolation thing is complete BS.
what else was there in the market except the C-17 ? nothing. the C-17 order would likely go up to 24 btw.
how many terror attacks have happened on US soil in those 10 years ? there’s your answer.
most of them ST-6 members, many of whom participated in the OBL raid. sad sad incident.
http://www.military.com/news/article/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-crash.html
edit: latest reports say these were not ST-6, still a very sad event.
kramer, is there a necessity that we have to pay in USD ? if euro has not appreciated wrt INR as much as it has wrt the USD, it should be possible to pay in euro, right ?
USS, you are missing a very big part of the MRCA picture, tech transfer. that certainly won’t be available for us.
you have no way of knowing they haven’t done the same this time, or that L&T hasn’t fabricated the hulls in the shipyard on bay of bengal. what I am saying is, we know rather little about this project to speculate.
zero chance of that happening. ajai shukla has been pushing for the F-35 in stead of MRCA for sometime now although no one has taken him seriously. I guess he is laying the groundwork for yet another article in the same vein.
If you ask me he is harming his own reputation with these outlier comments.
statements by the IAF chief, among others indicate the importance India attaches to MRCA.