like this ? 🙂
IAF had a similar desert camo for its mirages.

Well, mate, it seems to be a common woe in this
beginning of century for modern states!I was shocked too and belatedly posted the news in the MiliAviaNews
thread a few minutes ago.What can I say? If you expect an increase in military spending, your
best chance might be to be a national of a third world country, one
with “creative ways” to use national wealth and U.N. subsidies!Good day all, Tay.
or perhaps the ‘modern states’ should go back to looting colonies, that’s the only way they can sustain the force levels of yesteryear. now that the colonies are gone, while the post-colonial era of economic exploitation by former colonial powers is mostly over, the military strength is coming down to more reasonable levels. 😉
Personally, I have always believed that the N-LCA will be used mainly in the Training Role. Has anybody heard what ths split is between single and twin seat aircraft???
2-4 twin seaters and 46 single seaters.
a bit of advice : personal beliefs don’t really cut it in the real world.
While the C/D is externally similar to the A/B they are quite different underneath the skin. The most obvious difference is the cockpit displays.
and those changes enough to explain the difference in empty weight of 1130 kg as claimed by Loke (gripen A – 5670kg) and saab (Gripen C or so the other posters tell me -6800 kg ) ?
for which navy ?
Where would the money for either of these come from?
the million $ question. and if anyone thinks Indian Navy, the chances of that are a little south of zero. with a 45 strong order for mig-29k and another of 46 NLCA Mk2, they are not going for yet another 4gen fighter anytime soon.
as for RN, I really don’t see the typhoon making it, if they at all dump the JSF which is unlikely, the rafale-M has a far better chance. it makes for interesting speculation though. 🙂
aren’t folk always telling us that C/D is just A/B in NATO standard, why should the specs be different ?
well duh. unless you are the IAF. everything here is speculation.
+1
err correction loke, saab thinks you are wrong about those figures. perhaps you do know more about the gripen than they do but I can’t be sure can I ? 😀
SINGLE-SEATER
Weights
Empty weight 6.8 tonnes (IOW heavier than tejas’ at 6560 kg)
Internal fuel >2.0 tonnes tejas >2400 L same
Total load capacity 5.3 tonnes (including internal fuel, otherwise I don’t see how it adds up to MTOW of 14 tonnes. a 6.8 ton empty aircraft with MTOW of 14 ton and payload of 5.3 ton means clean loaded weight of 8.7 tons ! so unless avgas has -ve weight the payload has to include internal fuel as well. )
Max take-off weight 14.0 tonnes
even in Mk2 I doubt they will go broke to jack up the payload, they don’t need a bomb truck , they already have many. at most it will go up to 4.5 – 5 tons but it will be a brute of a performer.
40 mig-27s will be upg.
please edit to add the following
New jammer (DARE RWJ radar-warner-jammer)
radar : ELTA EL/M-2032 even for the IB/IS which didn’t have radar earlier. IM’s agave is also being replaced with the 2032.
as swerve says, operating from roadside is the product of the total system and not just one aircraft. just buying the gripen is not going to give you that capability and conversely, buying other modern aircraft is not necessarily going to preclude it.
even other aircraft have shown the ability to take from roads, I think I’ve seen RSAF F-16s do that. most if not all MRCA cntenders would probably be able to take off and land in suitably wide and strong roads. the rest is dependent on the doctrine of the air force.
even PAF was said to have a rudimentary version of this ability with the F-7s, of all aircraft.
I think you need to trawl through old threads here and at BR. I’m pretty sure I saw a list of both DARIN3 and mig-27 upg but not when/where. sorry about that.
quad, DARIN 3 cockpit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebEiMYaGADc
also, something like this is going into all future IAF aircraft. http://img97.imageshack.us/i/msws2.jpg/
there’s also DARE’s RWJ.
A few Tejas-related questions, which arose as a result of the discussion in the previous thread.
1. What is the current empty weight of Tejas? Soon after AI 2011, I saw the figure of 6,900+ Kg floating around some forums (people appeared to have got it from officials at AI 2011?). More recently, I have seen a figure of 5,560 Kg. So what is it??? Also what are the present official figures for NTOW and MTOW?
6560 kg, both from the official poster posted by ajay-hk and personal visits to AI2011.2. Much was said in the previous thread about Tejas design having inherent RCS reduction measures. Does anyone have any old information/articles talking about it, i.e. who first talked of such a thing? While I agree that it does have some possible RCS reduction measures, what Im trying to figure out is whether they were there from the outset or added to the programme as an afterthought?
the oldest I remember is from 1998 where they talked about the reasons behind dropping the canard from the original design (which happened back in the 80’s). RCS was one of the reasons provided. I too had thought they were unaware of RCS issues in the initial days. recently some info has come to my notice(spec the serpentine intake) that indicate that they kept RCS in mind from day 1 but they gave major attention to this aspect only after phase III was sanctioned, in 2004. also, you might want to see this, turn to page3. http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/techfocus/2011/feb%202011%20.pdf3. Much was said about Tejas being certified for +6g, software limitations and what not, and yet doing +6.9g, during AI 2011. What’s the story behind that, i.e. what happened?
ADA folk are almost paranoid about a mishap and being the first time they are doing this, opening up of flight envelope through FBW is going on at a very conservative pace. currently, as per some folks talks with the test pilots, the aircraft is “officially” restricted to pulling 6G’s. but since the display pilots are the test pilots themselves who know the aircraft intimately, some leeway is allowed in the FBW, to be used at their discretion. which allowed one of them to pull 6.9G during a display routine at AI2011, which is also LCA’s highest G pulled so far.
Thanks in advance!!!
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