Maybe you have identified the problem with the DRDO, do they think that their work finishes when they have developed something in the lab? Maybe your right the DRDO should care if a unit is working or not in the field as long as they have proved it in some predefined major ensured to make sure the product they make looks successful?

They have finally tested Agni II i guess the Indian Army dont really need to be able to use it before its declared sucessful?

sheer nonsense that has nothing to do with what we were discussing. you said

What India plans and what the DRDO delivers are at 180degrees from each other.

here we have

The India military services’ combined orders of the Defense Research and Development Organization-developed Akash, including two radars, have a total worth of Rs 23,300 crore. This is an unprecedented defense order for a DRDO-developed weapons system, and the biggest order ever for DRDO’s tactical missile and radar systems.

which is $5.2 bn for the kind information of 180 degree matt.

I guess the Indian military must be goddam dumb to spend that amount of money on something which is ‘180degrees’ from what they need, per well informed self-professed expert shri 180degrees matt ? :rolleyes:
or that they have no idea if the system works in the field or not according to his excellency 180degrees matt ! :rolleyes:

the figleafs are getting smaller and smaller sir, the result is not pretty. 😀
I would suggest you find some other hobby horse than mindless DRDO bashing.

where is 180degree matt ? 😀

planeman, small typo, it would be Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2 for the PLAAF and PLANAF versions, not MKI and MK2.

I had posted, sometime back now, a list of projects that DRDO is carrying out with the initial dates and costs vs the current costs and dates.

And as much as people would like to chastise me it doesn’t change the fact that even the ministry of defence and prime minister thinks that things need to change.

“a list of projects that DRDO is carrying out with the initial dates and costs vs the current costs and dates.” does not constitute the explanation I requested from you. as of now I take it that you are unable to do so, even for one project of your choice.

btw, did you also bother to put a list of the expected dates and cost estimates of similar projects around the world in this list of yours ?
it is a fact that DRDO had to promise completion of projects in absolutely unrealistic timeframes because the forces asked for the moon by yesterday or else they were going to look outside India.
India’s precarious financial condition in the 80’s and 90’s along with bean counting babus meant that the initial cost estimates were ridiculously low, even after more than one subsequent revisions of project costs twice and thrice of initial estimates, the total cost of the projects is still as low as a third or quarter of comparable western ones !
who in their right minds would call that a cost overrun ? this in a country where a lot of the initial project funds were absorbed to set up basic infrastructure itself. which shouldn’t be included in project costs in the first place.

that the RM thinks there is scope for improvement (and no one argues there isn’t) does not in any way justify your ludicrous statement that

What India plans and what the DRDO delivers are at 180degrees from each other.

please stick to specifics and keep your judgemental nonsense away from this thread.

^^
that was in a seahawk.

swerve, no problems if you have better sources than my memory. 🙂

And neither the Soviets ………….could/….. be able to do better than the Americans.

sure about that ? other than fanboys nobody claims that soviet weaponry was particularly inferior to US ones during the cold war when both sides had comparable funding levels. where they lagged behind was the US superiority in electronics, which had its roots in the large market for electronics in US and the west. that’s a separate issue from public vs private.

Jason, every foreign military transfer that is not included in excess category is listed under FMS. I don’t have the details ATM but in most of the cases you’ve listed the GOTUS paid for the transfers, either via pentagon or SD. I’ll try and post the breakdown later.