Ukranian, from Kvant.

Ah, I though it was from the Arsenal Design Bureau.

I’ve been trying without success to locate the web sites for these 2 firms for a long time(Kvant and Arsenal). Do you have any links?

Zaporozhye dived.

I have to say, even after repairs and ‘modernisation’ the shoddy-looking finish on the anechoic coatings doesn’t give me much hope for its capabilities.

2 Gibka and 2 Ak-630….lame.

So for all that talk about the Russian Mistrals needing to be well-armed and capable of defending themselves, with even SSMs being touted as part of the armament, we get a product that is practically defenceless. Even the Stereguschys will be able to take care of themselves better. Just 2 AK-630s(that too of the old single-gun variety) for 360 degree coverage?:D

I guess the realities constrained their original goals. Turning an LHD into an ‘aviation cruiser’ esque ship may require too many structural changes and push the cost up ala the Vikramaditya.

I am not entirely surprised if that is the case, no criticism of Indian ship building meant but building a carrier is a complex exercise.

To be honest I think the work up for INS Vikramaditya after delivery will swallow up a significant amount of that time anyway.

I could be prejudiced, but I always felt the project should have had been granted to a private shipyard like Bharti with investment in TRUE modular construction such as is being done on the CVFs; with several shipyards manufacturing pre-outfitted mega-modules. Instead we have Cochin Shipyard getting everything, including the production all all modules(Which destroys one of the main advantages of modular construction).:(

yes, merging the two into a single class might be the only option available if the P-17A spec is overlapping the P-15 figures.

I’d prefer if they decided on a 9000-10000 ton KDX-III style long range air defence destroyer/cruiser design with 80/96 cell VLS, 32 SSMs etc instead of the 7000 tonnes or so currently planned.

Sticking with the Delhi hull design makes the P-15B somewhat redundant as a destroyer since it’ll be only a few hundred tons bigger than the P-17A frigates(Even the Shiwaliks are over 6000 tonnes, not much smaller than the 6900-ton P-15A destroyers).

I’m amazed: how can the LCS-2s take Bofors 57mm but not Oto 76mm????

Weight Compact (without ammunition): 16,400 lbs. (7,439 kg)
SR (without ammunition): 16,800 lbs. (7,620 kg)
Compact including ammunition and off-mount components: 18,783 lbs. (8,520 kg)
http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_3-62_mk75.htm

Weight
Mark 1: N/A
Mark 2: 14,300 lbs. (6,500 kg)
Mark 3: 16,535 lbs. (7,500 kg)
The Mark 3 mounting with 1,000 rounds ammunition has a total weight of 30,865 lbs. (14,000 kg).
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNSweden_57-70_mk123.htm

Apparently even a small weight addition would cause concern about stability thanks to the aluminium hull and superstructure. Same reason why it’ll never carry Harpoons.

Great design choice, eh?:D

Very nice view, gives the width of flight deck….just wished the designers had kept that island on the original ship to the extreme edges.

too bad she doesn’t have any AD weapons…:mad:

It was on the edge for the old Baku. It’s just that the deck was extended on both sides. I wish the Navy comes up with some use for all that space on the right of the superstructure; it’s more than enough to park a few MiG-29Ks.

Yeah. I don’t expect the Indian Navy to follow the Soviet ‘aviation cruiser’ doctrine, but I wish they’ll at least give all their carriers a proper air defence fit. And I don’t just mean Kashtan, Barak or AK-630. I mean a few modules of Barak-8 for a medium/long range defence against SSMs.

I also wish the Vikramaditya had a sonar suite go go with those large radars. The old Gorshkov had one, but it was removed during its refit and I haven’t heart of a new one fitted.

A pity her propulsion systems are still so smoky even after diesel conversion…

One significant feature of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be tested, is its Microwave Landing System (MLS), an innovation that is miles ahead of the more common Instrument Landing System (ILS). While the purpose of the two systems is the same, the MLS brings much greater capability as it is multi-directional, in comparison to an ILS which can only guide aircraft in single straight lines. This allows aircraft to be separated horizontally until imminent landing.

I find this part the most interesting. Is this the same system that is on the Kuzentsov or a new development?

Have Western carriers adopted this system to replace conventional ILS yet?