Please watch the P 8-I videos India is gettin dispensers and all that. And these guys making decisions are not amateurs like yourself.

As for the integration its already done and it makes little sense to do it all in house for such a small number of airframes. Do you think an aircraft or an airforce is not potent because the equipment is not integrated ormade in the home country.

Those Ships/Subs will be done for whether its American weapons or Indian 😉

You are apparently Jealous because China does not have something of the same class and cannot buy it from anywhere because of restrictions and because Russian don’t have anything similar.

I wouldn’t be so hasty to make judgements like that, quadbike.

The fact is, China has, or can have if it wants to, a far bigger MPA fleet than the Indian Navy ever will. They have enough viable platforms, and while they may be inferior to the P-8 in terms of sensor suite, but they will be good enough for the PLAN’s strategic needs. Indeed, you’d be surprised at how advanced Chinese military electronics seem to be getting these days; in many aspects they’re already close to the level Russia had in the 90s and early 00s.

Additionally, if the reports I’ve heard of Chinese acquiring OTH radars are true, they don’t really need a large fleet of MPAs to keep track of enemy naval activity from afar, at least as far as surface combatants are concerned.

Dark’s link led me to something even more interesting. All is not well for the Russian Navy’s new programmes, it seems.

http://www.izvestia.ru/news/500434

Excerpts from google translation:

The latest frigates proved to be too complicated and expensive

Project 22350 frigate being built at the “Severnaya Verf” in St. Petersburg, were another naval protracted. Unavailability of key systems of new ships was the main reason for delaying the construction – the parent frigate fleet will be commissioned no earlier than 2012, ie six years after the bookmark, and this term may also move.

Deadlines cerebral Project 22350 frigate “Admiral Gorshkov” is constantly recede, and the price is growing, according to “Izvestia” a source at the Ministry of Defense.

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In 2005-2006 it was planned that by 2020 the fleet will receive 15 new generation of frigates, but the protracted period of construction forced the Defense Ministry to seek alternative solutions. This solution has become a successful project 11356M already earned industry in the course of two Indian orders.

Today the fleet already ordered six of these frigates, which will be commissioned before 2016, and is possible to order three more units. The number of commissioned frigates of Project 22350 was reduced to six units, they must enter service until 2018.

Even six frigates by 2018 seems an unrealistic goal, I’m afraid. The Krivak-4s have already taken up six(and maybe three more) of the original 15 planned orders…

For maybe the six time, I desperately ask:

What happened to the R-77M Mach 5 ramjet version?:(

As of now the AMCA is just a paper plane, and it ever reaches the induction phase it’ll be well into the 2020s.:D

Australia would have better chances if they’d joined South Korea’s KFX project. But even that is iffy; if they wanted a fifth-gen fighter within a reasonable timeframe the F-35 is the only way to go.

Any information(or rumours) on the J-15’s radar? Will it be an AESA? Or about its stealth technology? What’s the ratio of composite materials, does it have IR suppression for its exhausts and so on…?

How much of that profit is made on sales to the Indian government & armed forces?

The only real profit is that on exports & sales to the private sector.

That’s not how the Indian government sees it, I assure you.

To the politicians in our pseudo-Socialist defence ministry the first priority is always the state-owned defence firms, whether due to the many jobs(and unions) they hold or the money the government ‘saves’ from them(by getting back the profits they made, rather than having them swallowed up by a private firm).

It’s a sad situation, but that’s how it is. That’s why you’ll find each and every new aerospace contract, whether for developing a new aircraft, upgrading old ones, or licence-building foreign models, always goes to HAL. The most the private sector can hope for is subcontracts for components.:mad:

Heck, our Minister of Defence for State has gone on record saying how they ‘owe’ the Defence PSUs their support, and how the private sector should try to complement, rather than compete with them. Not surprising, given he and Defence Minister AK Antony are both hardcore Socialists from Kerala(one of the few Indian states still dominated by leftist idealogies).

Wake up Witcha 🙂

Yeah, sorry about that.:o I was sleep-deprived and depressed. I’d forgotten the side bays were already mentioned in various pics.:p

Anyone have a pic with them opened? I may have seen one before but if so I’ve forgotten it…

Still, I’d like it if conformal weapons bays were offered as an add-on for heavily ‘loaded’ missions.

oh and I suppose you have a picture of the Pak-fa from the intake mouth?

ps, the Flanker’s nacelles are longer than the Pak-fa.. thats why its longer duh

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Assuming those pics are to scale, I’m rather dissapointed with the size(or lack thereof) of the PAK-FA’s internal weapons bays. That can hold no more than four R-77s OR 2/4 air-to-ground missiles/bombs at any given time.:(

Conformal weapons bays, please….