I know this is a little off topic, but in an eventual war (let’s say Turks trying to exert more control of Cyprus or the Greek islands in the Aegean), how would the Greek AF/Navy fare against their Turkish counterparts. Considering EU or US would not get involved on anyone’s side.

It seems Turkey maintains way more combat fighters(though latest Greek fighters seem to be more advanced), very well trained pilots, not to mention they have a population 7 times bigger than that of Greece and they spend quite more on defence than Greece does, considering also that they have need for a bigger army due to Turkey’s sheer size and the Kurds.

Please no flames. I live right now in Greece, and i see the Greek politicians trying to appease Turkey through numberous ways, are they scared of an eventual conflict with Turkey? How would the Navy fare? In the collision incident over the Aegean, if I understood Turkey put up 80 F-16s into the Air or something, while Greece only 40. I know this is somewhat insignificant but it seems to have caused a lot of debate in Greece over this incident and the strength of the Greek miliatary. Also how would Cyprus deal with a ground war with Turkey?

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Well this is very obvious that Turkey is trying to expand into the Aegean by creating a corridor by claiming many inlets, close to it’s coast and right in the middle of the Aegean. Notice how they change the numbers of islets all the time. They have also successfully expanded into Cyprus and kept Greece out of Cyprus, as well as kept the Cypriots themselves relatively unarmed (they could be way more)…………so why appease Turkey anymore? They don’t have the right to claim anything in the Aegean, nor do they have the right to stop Cyprus from being armed……….

Instead of trying to expand geographically, as they have been trying to do for over the last 600-700 years they should try to make their “democracy” work as much as it can.

I think besides the F-22, anothe good option for Japan is a large numer of F-35As(for AF) to replace F-15s and F-4s and F-35Bs for the Navy….there you have commonality…isn’t that more sensible?

1. Mig-25 and Mig-31….the big nose, huge engines and intakes, just their size and beauty
2. YF-23….those wings and unique body
3. Mig 1.44 also huge and weird
4. Rafale
5. F-14
…

Thats truee…..I agree with what you guys have said..but however we can always get a rough estimate on how much a fighter costs depending on how much they have been sold to other countries..

I have put together a small list….(hasn’t been updated in a few months)

Many times a lot of deals involve things what I like to call “goodies” which may include any of the following: support, training, spares, technology transfer, license production, etc. All of these costs are in US Dollars.
Purchasing Costs

America
-F-15K: 105mn(based on what South Korea paid for+goodies)
-F-15I: 83.81mn(based on what Israel paid for+offsets)
-F-15S: 125mn(based on what Saudi Arabia paid for)
-F-16blk50: 50.17mn>75mn(based on what Poland paid for+goodies+offsets) + 38.4mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 26mn(based on what Singapore paid for) + 63.6mn approx(based on what Chile paid for+goodies) + 44mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 42mn(based on what Greece paid for) + 26.9mn(based on what final order for USAF) + 93.33mn(based on what Oman was about to pay for+goodies before the deal was cancelled) + 75.75mn(based on what it was offered to Brazil+goodies+offsets) + 35mn(based on what South Korea paid for) + 31.9mn(based on what Egypt paid for)
-F-16blk60: 80mn(based on what UAE paid for+goodies+development)
-F-18E/F Super Hornet: 76mn>69mn(based on what USN paid for[2004 SH budget]) + 82.39mn(based on what it was offered to Malaysia for+goodies)
-F-22: 152.5mn>155mn(based on what USAF paid for) + 150mn(based on what USAF paid for 2nd time)
-RQ-1 Predator: 9.2mn(based on what Italy paid for)
-MQ-9 Predator B: 8.925mn<7.85mn(based on what USAF paid for the 1st time) + 10mn(based on what USAF paid for 2nd time)
-Mariner: 8.3mn(quoted by production officials)
-RQ-4 Global Hawk: 70mn(based on what USAF paid for)
-Avenger SAM: 1.8mn(based on what Taiwan paid for)
-E-2C: 190mn(based on what Taiwan paid for)
-E-2C 2000: 250mn(E-2C costs 190mn, the 2000 upgrade costs 60mn[based on what USN and Egypt paid for])
-737-700 Wedgetail: 285.8>196.6mn(based on what Australia paid for) + 375mn(based on what Turkey paid for)
-767 AWACS: 403.25mn(based on what Japan paid for first time)
-KC-135R: 63mn>70mn(based on what Singapore paid for+goodies) + 56mn(based on what Turkey paid for+goodies)
-T-6 Texan II: 5mn(based on what USA paid for)
-C-27J: 22.73mn(based on what Greece paid for)
-C-130J: 68.67mn>52mn(based on what USAF paid for) + 104mn(based on what UK paid for) + 50mn(based on what was offered to Kuwait)
-C-17: 180mn(based on what USAF paid for)
-Kaman K-Max: 6mn(based on what Peru paid for)
-Bell 206: 1.17mn>1.4mn(based on what Mexico paid for) + 935000(based on what Turkey paid for)
-Bell 412EP: 9.33mn>8.85mn(based on what Pakistan paid for) + 10.4mn(based on what Turkey paid for) + 8.75mn(based on what Turkey paid for second time)
-Bell-412SP/AB-412SP: 4.62mn>4.74mn(based on what Sweden paid for) + 4.5mn(based on what Sri Lanka paid for)
-CH-47D Chinook: 43.36mn>59.5mn(based on what UK paid for) + 37.25mn(based on what Egypt paid for) + 33.33mn(based on what Taiwan paid for)
-V-22 Osprey: 81mn(based on the estimated total cost of acquisition of all V-22s)
-AH-1Z: 44.44mn(based on what it was offered to South Korea+goodies)
-AH-64D Apache: 62.81mn>77.5mn(based on what Singapore paid for+goodies) + 56.25mn(based on what Greece paid for+goodies) + 50mn(based on what Kuwait paid for+goodies) + 63.63(based on what Israel paid for+goodies) + 66.67mn(based on what it was offered to South Korea+goodies)
-S-70A: 9.9mn>12.8mn(based on what Brunei paid for+goodies) + 7mn(based on what Turkey paid for)
-S-92: 114mn(based on what Canada paid for+goodies)
-S-80E: 43.75mn(based on what Turkey paid for)
-UH-60L: 16.43mn>11.22mn(based on what Turkey paid for+goodies+offsets) + 7.4mn(based on what US Army paid for) + 20.33mn(based on what Austria paid for+goodies+offsets) + 8.26mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 23.5mn(based on what Egypt paid for+goodies) + 17.5mn(based on what Thailand paid for+goodies) + 14.08mn(based on what was offered to Colombia+goodies) + 16.75mn(based on what Jordan paid for+goodies) + 28.82mn(based on what Kuwait paid for+goodies)
-UH-60JA: 33.38mn(based on what Japan paid for)
-MD 500: 1.5mn(based on what various sources paid for)

Argentina
-AT-63 Pampa: 8mn(offered to Colombia and few other countries)

Brazil
-EMB-145 Erieye: 125mn(based on what Greece paid for)
-EMB-314 Super Tucano: 5.5mn(based on what Dominican Republic paid for)
-AMT-100: 178571(based on what USA paid for)

China
-K-8 Karakorum/JL-8: 4.25mn(based on what Egypt paid for)
-Y-8F-600/Y-8X: 20mn(quoted by Chinese officials)
-Y-12: 2mn for Chinese version(based on what various countries paid for), 3mn for Western version(based on what Canada paid for)
-FC-1/J-9: 15mn(quoted by Pakistani & Chinese officials, probably for Chinese version, much more likely to whatever Pakistan will customize it with)
-J-10: <20-25mn(it’s hard to estimate the right price but many sources estimate it’s under 25mn for the Chinese avionics/engine J-10, some even estimate it’s 10mn which is very unlikely)

Europe
-AS 550 Fennec: 3.64mn>4mn(based on what Malaysia paid for) + 5mn(based on what Brazil paid for) + 1.93mn(based on what UAE paid for)
-AS 350B3 Ecureuil: 1.225mn(based on what various customers paid for)
-AS 532UL/U2/UC/AS 332L2 Cougar: 18.72mn>12.65mn(based on what Turkey paid for) + 14.24(based on what Netherlands paid for) + 13.37mn(based on what Spain paid for) + 43.33mn(based on what Saudi Arabia paid for) + 17.33(based on what Switzerland paid for) + 11.38mn(based on what Brazil paid for)
-AS-365F/565SA Panther: 32.86mn(based on what UAE paid for+goodies)
-Super Lynx: 26.8>31.6mn(based on what South Africa paid for+goodies) + 22mn(based on what Germany paid for)
-AS 332L Super Puma: 12.35mn(based on what China paid for)
-A109M: 6.85mn(based on what Malaysia paid for)
-EC 130B4: 1.6mn(based on what various customers paid for)
-EC-120B Colibri: 1mn(based on what Spain paid for)
-NH-90 NFH: 30mn(based on what various countries paid for)
-NH-90 TTH: 49.26mn>40.19mn(based on what Greece paid for) + 58.33mn(based on what Australia paid for+goodies+offsets)
-SAAB 340 Erieye: 121mn(based on what Pakistan paid for)
-EH101 Merlin Naval: 63mn(based on what UK paid for)
-EH101 Merlin Tactical: 42mn(based on what UK paid for)
-PAH-2 Tiger: 52.5mn>62.5mn(based on what Spain paid for + goodies) + 42.5mn(based on what Australia paid for)
-PC-9M: 8.18mn>7.1mn(based on what Ireland paid for+goodies) + 6.6mn(based on what USAF paid for as T-6A Texan) + 10.83mn(based on what Bulgaria paid for+goodies)
-Lasta 3: 1.5mn(quoted by Serbian officials)
-Grob G115: 282828(based on what a UK company paid for)
-SF-260M: 716666>433333(based on what Zimbabwe paid for) + 1mn(based on what Venezuela paid for+goodies)
-M-346: 16-18mn(quoted by Italian officials)
-Hawk LIFT(mk127/128): 24mn>22.5mn(based on what India paid for+goodies) + 31.6mn(based on what South Africa paid for+goodies) + 18.1mn(based on what Australia paid for+goodies)
-L-159A: 16.32(based on what Czech Republic paid for which includes other contracts for engines and avionics, though this would probably be much more for export countries)
-L-159B LIFT: 8.5mn(quoted by Czech officials but likely to be much more)
-Gripen: 51.83mn>50mn(based on what it was offered to Brazil) + 45mn(based on what Pakistan said they would pay for them) + 65.3mn(based on what South Africa paid for+goodies) + 47mn(based on what Hungary paid for)
-Mirage-2000-5: 108.3mn(based on what Qatar paid for+goodies+offsets)
-EF2000 Typhoon: 123mn(based on what Austria paid for+goodies+offsets)
-A400M: 96.57mn>114m(based on what Germany will pay for) + 79.13mn(based on what South Africa is sopposed to pay for)
-C-295M: 35mn(based on what UAE paid for)
-CN-235-100: 15.59mn>12.85mn(based on what France paid for+goodies+offsets) + 18.33mn(based on what Colombia paid for)
-CN-235MP: 13.33mn(based on what Turkey paid for)
-C-295: 26.34mn>24.58mn(based on what Brazil paid for) + 28.1mn(based on what Algeria paid for)
-C-212MP Aviocar: 9.85mn(based on what Portugal paid for)
-G 222: 22.67mn(based on what Thailand paid for)
-Sperwer UAV: 2.55mn(based on what Netherlands paid for)
-Mistral MANPAD: 400000>172215(based on what South Korea paid for) + 625000(based on what Brunei paid for) + 170000(based on what Ecuador paid for)
-Crotale: 24.18mn(based on what Greece paid for+goodies+offsets)
-RBS-70: 225000(based on what Venezuela paid for)
-Vera-L: 9.5mn(based on what it was offered to China, Pakistan and Vietnam)

India
-Tejas(LCA):21-25mn(quoted by Indian and HAL officials)
-Dhruv: 5mn(based on what it was offered to Chile by HAL)
-HJT-36: 4.44mn(based on the estimated costs for overall program value)

Indonesia
-CN-235: 15.12mn>12.25(based on what Pakistan paid for) + 17.88mn(based on what SK paid for+offsets+goodies) + 16.83mn(based on what Malaysia paid for+offsets) + 13.5mn(based on what Brunei paid for)

Israel
-Heron UAV: 4.6mn(based on what India paid for)
-Harpy UAV: 1.25mn(based on what India and Turkey paid for)
-Hunter UAV: 8.33mn(based on what France paid for) + 4.04mn(based on what Belgium paid for)
-Searcher UAV: 3mn(based on what Thailand paid for)
-Phalcon AEW: 395.5>366mn(based on what India paid for) + 425mn(what was offered to South Korea)
-Kfir C7 single seat: 8mn-Kfir C7 twin seat: 16mn(based on what various countries paid for)

Russia/Ukraine
-Su-27SK: 32.7mn>30mn(based on what Vietnam paid for) + 35.4mn(based on what China paid for+goodies)
-Su-27-SM upgrade>1mn(based on what RuAF paid for)
-Su-27IB: 36mn(based on what it was offered to various countries like India)
-Su-30MK: 30mn>30mn(based on what India paid for) + 30mn(based on what Vietnam paid for)
-Su-30MKK1/2/3: 38.75mn>37.5mn(based on what China paid for+goodies) + 40mn(based on what China paid for later+goodies)
-Su-30MKM: 50mn(based on what Malaysia paid for+goodies+development)
-Su-30MKI: 45mn(based on what India paid for+development)
-Su-35 Super Flanker: 62.5mn(based on what Brazil is going to pay for+goodies+offsets)
-Su-25 Frogfoot: 6mn(quoted by Tbilisi factory in 2000) & 8.3mn(quoted by Ulan-Ude factory)
-Su-29M: 240000(based on what various countries/organizations/people paid for)
-Su-31M: 300000(based on what various countries/organizations/people paid for)
-Su-49: 300000 for base line version(quoted by Sukhoi officials), 700000 with full avionics(quoted by Sukhoi officials)
-Mig-29SMT: 30.35mn>30mn(based on what Algeria paid for+goodies) + 30.7mn(based on what Yemen paid for)
-Mig-29K: 43.75mn(based on what India paid for+goodies)
-Mig-29N: 33mn(based on what Malaysia paid for+goodies+offsets)
-Mig-110: 6-7mn(quoted by MiG officials)
-Mig-AT: 12mn(quoted by MiG officials)
-Yak-130: 13mn(quoted by Yakovlev officials)
-Tor-M1: 29.1mn(based on what Greece paid for+goodies)
-BUK-M1: 11.5mn/battery(based on what Finland paid for)
-Igla: 60000(based on what various countries paid for)
-Igla-M: 104000>80000(based on what Malaysia paid for) + 128000(based on what Vietnam paid for)
-Igla-S: 3.5mn/battery(based on what Syria paid for)
-Pantsir S1: 14.6mn(based on what UAE paid for+goodies)
-Tanguska: 9.2mn(based on what India paid for)
-S-300PMU1: 105mn>110mn(based on what China paid for/battery+goodies) + 105mn(based on what China paid for) + 100mn(based on what China paid for)
-S-300PMU2: 122.5mn(based on what China paid for/battery+goodies)
-Kolchuga: 25mn+-(rumors said that Iraq paid that much for each system[realistically they did not get any])
-S-80: 6-6.5mn(quoted by Irkut/KnAAPO and Sukhoi officials)
-Mi-17: 3.79mn>4.25mn(based on what India paid for) + 3.9mn(based on what Pakistan paid for) + 5mn(based on what Malaysia paid for) + 3.42mn(based on what Turkey paid for) + 4.9mn(based on what Colombia paid for) + 1.25mn(based on what Mexico paid for)
-Mi-171Sh: 5.08mn>7.5mn(based on what Iran paid for) + 4.28mn(based on what Algeria paid for) + 3.46mn(based on what Venezuela paid for)
-Mi-26T: 10-12mn(quoted by Russian officials, although probably more)
-Mi-28N: 12-15mn(quoted by Mil officials, though it should be the same as the Ka-52)
-Mi-38: 12mn(based on what the prototypes are going to cost, though the production variant should be a little more)
-Ka-28: 8mn(based on what India paid for)
-Ka-31: 23mn(based on what India paid for)
-Ka-52: 12.5mn(based on what Yemen paid for)
-An-32V-200: 8.25(based on what it was offered to Poland)
-An-38-200: 2.6-3mn for Russian version & 4mn for Western version(quoted by Antonov officials)
-An-70: 35-50mn(quoted by Antonov officials)
-AN-74T-200: 11.08mn(based on what Iran paid for)
-An-124-100: 43mn(based on what Libya paid for, though realistically it would be much more)
-An-140: 9mn(based on what Libya paid for)
-Be-103: 1mn(based on what China paid for)
-Be-200: 20-22mn(quoted by Beriev officials)
-Il-76MF/-100: 30mn(quoted by Uzbek and Russian officials)
-Il-78M: 25.17mn>25mn(based on what India and China paid for) + 25.33mn(based on what India paid for second time)
-Il-96-400T: 38mn(based on what various airlines paid for)
-Tu-330: 25-30mn(estimated by Tupolev officials)
-Tu-204-120: 30mn(based on what China was going to pay for before deal was cancelled)

South Korea
-T-50A Golden Eagle: 18mn(quoted by SK officials)
-T-50B LIFT/A-50 Golden Eagle: 20-22mn(quoted by SK officials)
-KT-1 Wong Bee: 8.5mn(based on what Indonesia paid for+goodies)

Operating Costs/Hour
-AH-64 Apache: $4000+
-UH-60: $2000+
-F-16: $5000
-Mig-29SMT/M: $5500+
-JAS 39 Gripen: $2000
-B-1B: $10000+
-C-130: $2000-$5000(depending on payload)

Also the new 18km Hermes will be integrated onto the Ka-52

Not a chance in hell of the Russians catching a Blackbird.

Mig-31s have intercepter a Blackbird before, soo it’s possible that they could’ve shot it down.