Yes it looks like the Mig-21bis will be retired very very soon and Mig-21bisR will stay in service till 2010, later we’ll probably purchase/lease some new Aircraft.
It looks like they are working on a UAV and the military is going under modernization regardless of the lower funds and struggling economy.
It looks like it’s been undecided what they will do with the Mig-29s, or J-22 Oraos.
I dont think there is a need for us to purchase Yak-130 or Mig-AT when we have the capability to build our own trainers OR there is the G-4 Super Galeb which can be upgraded and be a vg trainer.
Anyway, any news on the J-22 Orao and what they’ll do with it, if upgraded it can become good and capable strike aircraft, it’s already been combat proven in the past 2 wars. Same with G-4
I swear I hate all these countries’ citizens, media and parliaments that ALWAYS whine when the government spends money into the military, they always say its too much blah blah blah, I mean those machines are protecting their asses so they should STFU.
Ok fine when there is a political reason not to purchase something from a country, but when politicians start to decide whats better in technical terms then thats even worse. You really have to convince them to get this and that, and they’ll decide even if they dont have a CLUE about anything.
It would be the best to experts pick the best not the damn politicans.
any news on the F-X BR competition and whos going to be the winner?
whats the cost of any Foxhound versions? anyone know?
But lets say that happend, what chance is there that the Chinese wont pick the Rafale? They are geting a carrier in the future, the Rafale would be a PERFECT addition to PLAAF and the French are desperate to sell it. The Rafale is just as capable as the Typhoon.
The damn Germans are the reason the program has been so delayed, if it wasnt for them changing all the requirements Typhoon would’ve been in service long time ago.
Did the British cut down their Typhoon order from 232 OFFICIALLY?
Also Spanish and Italians dont seem to be saying anything, just rumours.
sorry but I’ve never heard of these aircraft you claim, could you provide me some links.
I agree on with you that China should think on the outside of the box but why dont they build this, why dont they build that? They simply cannot, they dont have the technology. It takes a while, a good while.
Crobato could you please provide me links to some of those like the World Military Forums and Chinese Defence Forums as well as military.china.com and cjdby.com. I cant seem to find these sites.
I don’t know why. I think they should. A squadron of these fictional “dragons” would be invincible. An F22 despite it’s technology has limited range, limited radar, limited armament.
That’s the limitations of a small fighter.Probably the reason why large planes historically were relegated as bombers is because they didn’t have guided missiles back then. In the age of BVR fighting, manueverablity is antiquated and useless. What counts is having stealth, a powerful radar, powerful missiles so that you can see first, shoot first, and run away.
If China focused on improving their radars to such that they were significantly superior by a factor of 2, even a J-8 armed with 8 ramjet missiles can defeat F22. It doesn’t matter that an F22 is more manuerverable. Heck, the F22 wouldn’t even see it coming until it’s too late. Whoever sees the enemy first, will win.
That’s another thing China should focus on. Developing Ramjet missiles. Use conventional fuel for getting it up to speed, and then turn on the ramjets at supersonic speed!
An active guided ramjet based missile with a range of 400km would be awesome.
China should also develop laser weapons to replace bullets for short range fighting. Also China should work on it’s invisiiblity technology.
The J-10 is ancient technology. It’s good enough for now but in 10 years, it will be outdated. They need to hurry up on developing the JXX and J10C.
I think theres a reason between u and USAF, they are alot smarter and they know what they are doing!.
There is still a LONG time till missiles with much longer ranges can have a very good hit ratio. Even the AIM-120C has a lower hit ratio, longer range missiles like the Phoenix can be easily dodged by manuverable fighter, but they were designed to hit bombers. It still takes time to perfect BVR missiles, but for now there is a reason why they still want smaller, stealthier and manuverable fighters, not huge ass planes with big radars and BVR missiles.
They should also be developing a B1B sized superplane with stealth, moderate maneuverabilty (7g), supercruise, awac level radars 1000+km range that can carry 100+ A2A medium (60miles) and long range (200+km ramjet) missiles, or its equivalent A2G bombs.
After all, in A2A combat, manueverability is not needed anymore. Stealth, long range radars, and long range missiles do all the work.
If China or any other nation can build such a plane, they’d be feared and would absolutely rule the air with an iron fist. A stealthy B1B sized aircraft that can see first, shoot first, and fly away fast would absolutely rape F22’s with their shorter radar, and limited missiles. It would absolutely destroy awacs that are slower, and non stealthy. Imagine shooting 100 long range ramjets at awac planes? toast!
Let other nations field small planes like F22 but China is China. They have and always will think large. These superplanes would rule the airs with unprecedented superiority. I would call this new class of super planes Dragons.
These planes should also have laser weapons that can shoot down ICBMs, and incoming A2A missiles. They should also be equipped with invisiblity technology, like F22’s are reputed to have.
I’m totally serious about this. Smaller planes like F22 are antiquated, expensive, and carry limited weapons. What we need is an air-carrier for the skies. 100+ missiles with ramjet. superior Awacs level radars that can see at least 1000 kms. Stealth to avoid detection. Invisiblity to avoid visiblity. Supercruise for long distance range. Laser weapons to shoot down ICBMS, and A2A missiles. A crew of about 20. It can also serve as an Awacs for other planes. Price tag: 500 million.
Ask USAF why didn’t they do that really and why they made the F22 in the first place and why they made it so damn manuverable!
I kind of agree, hell Britain could’ve made it very very good, it could’ve been in service some 10 years later, and continually upgraded etc.
LOL, I have to admitt thats funny
AVRO ARROW, I am sorry but there is not such a great big gap between the YF-23 and its ex-competator the F-22, not as big of a gap as the Arrow had over all the planes in it’s time. Avro Arrow would’ve been very very very good. Yes T-4 and B-70 should’ve been built, what a waste, Soviets were so dumb to cancel everything after the Americans did, the T-4 would’ve posed a large threat to anyone and would be the best bomber for years and years.
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I’d bet any money this thing would’ve easily walked over any F-4/5 or Mig-21/23 and could’ve probably competed very well with the Mig-25 in performance. Hell even USAF considered buying it.
Originally posted by mavaustin
by the way guys, just to let you know that PAF is definitely getting J-10. it will be most likely known as J-10P and will have western avionics as usual.
Thats speculation. If Pakistan gets turned away from European countries as they have already from Sweden they will turn to China again for J-10.
so the J-10 will after all have supercruise and pretty god TW ratio with the WS10A. Along with the TVC for later version the J-10 will pose a very serious threat to the F/A-18 E/F.
Could someone at least calculate what it’s max supercruise speed be when its empty with WS10A? Also what could be the TW ratio for it too empty, then what it could be with some weapons loaded(any # of KGs would be good)