uhhh the new Russian multirole fighter-bomber is Su-34, this is just an older concept.

they have already claimed that there BVR missile equipped with JF-17 will have no rival in S Asia

Of course, this type of childish comment is more than enough for me to question the credibility of PAF officials. I am not saying JF-17 will not have the SD-10(which it will) but you cannot possibly take the PAF officials seriously.

PL-5E slightly more capable than AIM-9L. it has 40 degree offboresight vs 28 of AIM-9L. much closer to export R-73 with 45 degree. and can pull 40gs the same as R-73. only U-darter is capable of 55g. and how u calculated the range of PAF bvr missile? that u are comparing it with known system. if Super 530D or R-27 was such novelty PAF would have long acquired them from France and Ukraine.

Just because U-Darter can pull 15 more Gs than a R-73 does not mean it will score a kill and R-73 will not, the R-73 will still score a kill with 40Gs no matter against what. Also there are other things to compare in U-Darter vs R-73 such as degree off boresight and their RANGE.

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they had the operational bvr at that time it was in there advantage to use it. why play defensive?
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He said “large scale combats” not “large scale BVR combat”. There wasnt much air warfare in those wars as there was in others like Vietnam and Iraq-Iran.

Just compare the crash statistics of two airforces. you will understand how big is the difference in maintainance quality.

The majority of IAF aircraft crashing are the much much older Mig-21s, which have been in IAF service longer than anything in current PAF service. Not only that, but this is during peacetime, things are a little different than they would be at wartime, when maintenance won’t be the greatest factor affecting an air combat battle.

The average fleet of PAF is newer than IAF. F-7 are maximum 15 years old and form the bulk. the rest is Mirages which are not that much used by airforces from where they were purchased and rebuilt. and F-16 quality is certainly better than MIG-29 in IAF.
and regarding mirage facing MIG-29. Mirage will fire first the bvr and MIG-29 does not have the legs to catch it into wvr fight. it is too short range mostly for point defense not for escort. Su-30 is the only capable fighter in IAF fleet.

You wish lol, you’re comparing a BVRless Mirages(for now), F-16s and F-7s to modern fighters like Mirage-2000, Mig-29 and Su-30. A Mig-29 with HMS+R-73 does not even need a BVR missile to take down half of PAF, just that combo will be more than enough. F-16 is PAF’s best fighter, since it’s the longest ranged, most maneuverable yet it would have even a lot of trouble against Mig-21-93s in any type of fight.

F-7PG has 200km more radius on internal fuel and is close to manevarability of F-16. certainly it can do with Su-30 and M2k in wvr fight due to its small size an high agility while Mirage willl fire BVR at safe distances on them. no opportunity for MIG-29 to entangle that far.

LOL a BVR/WVR fight is a lot more complex than that. There is no way most of your PAF fighters will even survive BVR fights at first, just forget that. The Mig-29 still has bigger combat radius than Mirage or the F-7.

u cannot contemplate that one aircraft is upgraded so the rest of the fleet is upgraded also. one paper 100 aircrafts are upgraded but reality only 10 may carry them. thats the way things in S asia works.

No thats not the way things wokr in S Asia, if 1 aircraft is shown to carry that and is upgraded that way, and the others are said to be upgraded along the same lines, then they ARE upgraded and can do the same things.

this is a waste of time arguing with kids

Yes the Flanker cannot in any way take off from tehir maximum weights from the really small Kuznetsov. Mig-29K should be able to, just not the Su-33.

Zaslon is pretty much an A2A radar only while the Bars has plenty of ground and sea modes besides Air Modes. However Zaslon is more powerful in the A2A mode, and has a large range and more power.

Because during the Vietnam war, it showed that heavier and bigger interceptors would get forced into dogfights, therefore the Soviets armed all of their fights with short range IR guided dogfighting missiles, as well as their interdictors such as Su-17, Su-24 and whatever for self-defense. I think this was a smart move. I think it’s sort of dangerous to always depend on one kind of missile.

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Yakhont just like the other russian long range SSM’s designed by NPO were made to be utlized against carrier fleets in other words fleets that have AEW/AWACS assests, lo-lo trajectory isnt so useful in that scenario so why bother? Also because of limitations of horizon probability of sucessful kills diminishes greatly at ranges less than 120 km flying lo-lo without some kinda of midcourse datalink capability (such as used by otomat, moskit even that datalink is pretty tricky to implement since its prone to jamming). Thats why NPO i believe did argue that klub isnt so useful at that long ranges and besides yakhont can be used in lo-lo profile.
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True, but can a Delhi class type destroyer effectively target a ship over the horizon at some 300kms for the range of the Brahmos? Can a submarine like the Kilo do the same? I am sure with some external off board targeting systems like Helicopters, that problem would be solved. Remember that the Moskit, with a range of 120kms needed Ka-27s for targeting.

In the Anti-Ship role the Klub/Alfa would be much better against for ex USN with such Air Defenses even despite it’s 220km range as opposed to the 290 km range of the Brahmos. I would pick the air launched 250km Alfa as opposed to the 290km Brahmos-A anyday.

It’s hard to tell considering we wouldnt know what F-22’s RCS is, head on it’s the best and we’re not sure at what distance the Zaslon-M would be able to detect it at, however F-22’s RCS from any other angles is lower. Also not only this, but at what distance will Mig-31BM/M’s IRST detect the F-22 at? Dont forget the F-22 will be a heat beacon supercruising, and even subcruising(subsonic cruising). The faster it will have to go to intercept a Mig-31M/BM, and the faster it goes the more exposed it becoms to it’s IRST, regardless of how much they have lowered F-22’s IR signature, it’s still very big. And yes AWACS are a big part of F-22, but theres the 400 km R-37M which can help deal with this which when fired at some 380kms can probably either shoot down the AWACS unless it runs, and if it runs then it’s point is nulled.

off topic but anyways

In WWI, I think US was the reason we won. Russia had surrendered, and the French army seemed to have basically mutinied after the previous bloody battles. All of the German troops from teh Eastern front went to the Western front. If it wasnt for the US troops in France, I dont think we’d have survived as we had.

In WWII, US definitely did win the war in the Asia-Pacific against Japan, but it was definitely the Soviet Union in the Europe against Germany. Germany lost WWII as soon as it attacked Soviet Union. There is no way Germany would’ve ever beaten Soviet Union in their winter, I would’ve thought Hitler learned something from Napoleon at least.