Hheheheh, lets do it aerospacetech! I will submitt my design tonight.
Maybe they could develop a smaller, single engined LIGHT multirole fighter out of the Mig-29M.
Why is it too light? Let’s say you modify a Yak-130, replace the second seat with fuel and extra avionics, lower it perhaps for minimal drag, give it a radar like Kopyo-F which is pretty sophisiticated multimode radar with good ranges and would be able to fit easily in any nose, some extra computers and such, and there you got yourself a nice light multirole fighter which can perform all kinds of missions. The Yak-130 can carry all kinds of ordinance like KAB-500KR & L, Kh-25, Kh-35 and other ones, with Kopyo-F it will be able to fire weapons like R-77, KH-29 and many others, could even fire Kh-59M.
All this for under 20mn, also with low lifecycle costs, good payload and range for such a small fighter.
Mikoyan could do it with their Mig-AT which is their own product.
dont u think this should have been somewhere else 😀
LMAO, I wonder why I really posted it there, I think I meant to post it in another thread :P.
Anyways, the Mariner is a very good solution for a Maritime Patrol UAV, it would be cheaper to run and buy and much easier to operate than a long range manned aircraft like P-3 or whatever.
Is there a real need for a TVC Mig-29M2? Other than being more complicated, more expensive, harder and more expensive to maintain, offer less performance, what big advantages would it really offer?
I would rather develop a light fighter out of something like Yak-130 or the Mig-AT!
Actually, the funding for LCA only started I think in the early 90s, sure the studies and such started back in 1983, but the funding did not come after a WHILE. I still think LCA is a nice light multirole fighter, very good when it’s twice as cheaper than a Gripen, F-16 or M2K.
WOW, 180mn for a C-17, that is a freaking RIPOFF, consider a An-124 for some 50mn or so, hell Libya got em for 43mn/each. Wow, that is NOT cost effective, its a BIG waste.
Those predators they mentioned, are those the new predator Bs?
lol, pegasus just answered your question.
These days, you really don’t need the real thing, just use computers.
Hmm, by 2010, there will be a whole new 5th generation of fighters like XXJ, PAK-FA, F-35 and F-22. F-16, M2K will be pretty obsolete, and Gripen will follow. I would rather go for something like Typhoon or Rafale by then if not the F-35.
What new info do you really want?
I really hope it does get some export orders. I mean it is very light, something with a empty weight of some 1750kgs I think, compare it to a twice as heavier Yak-130. I wonder whats it’s purchasing cost, because it’s running costs seem very cheap.
The earlier Mig-29As and their RD-33s are maintenance nightmares, everyone knows that, but the Mig-29M greatly reduces these maintenance costs and introduces much better RD-33 engine variant. The main point of the Mig-29SMT was to greatly reduce the maintenance costs.
I would assume that now, a Mig-29M is not that much more expensive to maintain than an F-16blk50, probably more but not much more.
It’s still cheaper in the longer run, just because of it’s purchasing costs for example.
Let’s compare a Mig-29M vs F-16blk50
-Mig-29M: on average it is offered to countries for about 30mn with all the goodies.
-F-16blk50: 54mn>75mn(based on what Poland paid for+goodies) + 38.4mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 26mn(based on what Singapore paid for) + 60mn approx(based on what Chile paid for+goodies) + 44mn(based on what Israel paid for) + 42mn(based on what Greece paid for) + 93mn(based on what Oman paid for+goodies)
(54mn is just the average price, which includes all the F-16s sold without spares and etc)
Let’s say a F-16 is 5000/h to operate, and a Mig-29M some 25% more to operate, at 6250/h to operate. Let’s say you ru nthem 300h/year for 25years.
Mig-29M: 46.875mn life cycle costs
F-16blk50: 37.5mn life cycle costs
F-16blk50’s engine life is past 8000hs, so you do not have to replace it even once.
Let’s say hypothetically you have to relace Mig-29M’s engines twice durng it’s lifetime, and each engine costs 2mn. 4*2=8mn.
Mig-29M: 8+30+46.875=84.875mn
F-16blk50: 54+37.5=91.5
F-16blk50 might be more capable in A2G, but Mig-29M comes with no political strings attached and you can get any weapon with it.
I think this is going to delay the project even more and make the rise costs. Although I don’t think Lockheed is entirely to blame, it’s those idiots form the Pentagon who wanted “anti-Tamper” technologies incorporated inside.
The F-35, even from the beggining was a heavy bird, it’s empty weight is as big as ofthe F-15, it’s a heavy plane and nowhere near a light affordable fighter.
Wow, Greece has become big buyer of Russian weaponry. They keep buying more and more every year.
And how much more money will these modifications sack up?