and possibly Airbus as well, given they say they are not in talks with any other manufacturer.
Well that’s because Airbus wouldn’t bow to the terms demanded and gave Scumbag O’Riley the finger! 😀
The question now is – were Ryanair making totally unreasonable demands, and were they making those demands because they don’t really need the aeroplanes anymore and are trying to save face?
Andy
I wouldn’t be too upset to see all the so called “low-fare” airlines gone, not just Ryanair – although Ryanair are by far the worst of the bunch. If nothing else, it’d do wonders for aviation’s position versus global warming/climate change for there to be such a reduction in air travel
Anyway, the news this morning appears to be that Boeing have refused to bow to Ryanair’s pressure with respect to acquiring 200 more 737s, so with any luck maybe we’ll see the Harp’s growth stunted soon
Andy
So your suggesting workers should put all contractual rights on hold simply because its a critical travel period…even if it means them working a job and not getting paid for doing it?
OK, tell me this then… Why are the baggage handlers going on strike on 22nd and 23rd December, and on 27th and 28th December – but not on strike on [say] 25th December? Heathrow is open on 25th, so why not just carry on from 22nd through to 25th rather than break off (rather conveniently) for the holiday itself? Could it be because:
a. Fewer people travel on Christmas day, so there’d be less disruption that day
or
b. Some strikers want to be working on Christmas day (and maybe being paid a premium for doing so)
or
c. The strikers want to be at home on Christmas day rather than on picket lines
Again, I am not particularly disputing the right to strike as such, but just the synical way this union in particular goes for the most selfish, most disruptive, dates to strike. Passengers don’t have a particular thing against the workers, but just as much as people have a right to strike so do passengers ahve a right to travel on the dates they’ve booked
Andy
I didn’t say that the workers were tossers, I said the union were tossers. No problem with workers wanting to improve their lot in life, but unions absolutely should not be able to hold passengers to ransom particularly not at such a critical travel period.
Andy
I believe that the High Court determined the strike illegal as Unite had ballotted, and had counted returns from, BA cabin crew members who had taken voluntary redundancy and had already left the company. Unite say that there will be a fresh ballot – but from what I can tell, any fresh strike action cannot take place over the Christmas/New Year period as the timing nolonger works.
Andy
It was broadly the same thing that forced Frontier into chapter 11 in the US, although of course they have now bounced back.
I can understand the credit card processer’s point of view – credit card companies ultimately end up having to refund card holders if the merchant (in this case Globespan) fails, so when they processing payments for an organisation that is seen as “at risk” it seems reasonable that they might withold some of the payments, especially payments for services to be rendered well in the future. Its not as if most of these payments are for services already provided by Globespan (in every case, when the service has actually been delivered, the credit card processor pays) – mostly, they are witholding payments to merchant for services to be rendered well into the future (i.e. people paying now for flights well into next summer). I know that the airline industry, to some extent, depends on paymentsa recieved now for flights next summer to cover their winter operating costs and cashflow, but in principal if a business cannot operate on income from current operations (versus depending on payments for future services to maintain cashflow over lean times) then I question whether it is a sound business.
Andy
O’Leary made the announcement dressed as Father Christmas, describing Ryanair, as El Mundo reports, as ‘the angels of all European airports’ and the only company capable of generating growth
Yeah right, tell that to all of the airports where he’s gone in all guns blazing and then pulled out or reduced capacity! :rolleyes:
More accurately, the quote should have been ‘the scourge of all European airports’
Defn: scourge – a source of widespread dreadful affliction and devastation such as that caused by pestilence
Andy
There is only one 747 and one DC-10 fire bomber. (so far);)
Nope, there’s two DC-10s – tanker 910 and tanker 911
Andy
Well whoopeee for Boeing. The fugly looking plastic pig has actually finally gotten airborne and the wings haven’t fallen off… Time to
move on.
Andy
Only one resolution that I can see to nip this in the bud and stop it becoming a lose-lose situation is for WW to resign or be sacked.
Removing WW may take some of the immediate antaganism out of the current situation, but it won’t resolve the fundamental long-term problems. If WW were to be replaced, sooner or later any new CEO with business acumen would arrive at the same conclusion. You just can’t keep a business running indefinitely if its potentially losing £600m+ a year and has a pension defecit of £3.7bn. Things have to be changed and its mainly the cabin crew [union] now that have buried their heads in the sand and believe things can go on as they were 20 years ago.
Andy
Strike action is the very last resort and in my experience it has come about because of the stupidity and crass ignorance of the company management.
Or in this case, because of the stupidity and crass ignorance of the union and cabin crew who voted for a strike! 😡
At the root of this strike is something I’ve been banging on about for months, maybe even years. The airline industry is nolonger as nice a place to work as it was a decade or more ago – pay rates have reduced, hours have got longer, terms and conditions have eroded… Why…?
Much of this is ultimately down to the dive to the bottom as far as fares are concerned. The great unwashed travelling public have been offered lower fares (initially by the low-fare sector, but also by long-haul carriers with much a lower cost base like Emirates) and want to keep paying lower fares. The likes of BA have to compete to some degree – its all very well saying BA makes most of its money from the front of the bus, but it still has to get a reasonable return from the back too. BA therefore has no choice but to cut costs, and thus now this last bastion of the well-paid, nice Ts&Cs cabin crew, is under threat.
Don’t get me wrong – I have a lot of sympathy for any employee who is subjected to the sorts of pay cuts and Ts&Cs changes that BA cabin crew are in for. But unfortuantely we live in the real world, and if passengers want low fares – and will go elsewhere if they can’t get them from BA – then costs have to be taken out right across the business. And operationally, the BA crews are really on a hiding to nothing, because the flights are so over-crewed (compared to the legal minimum) and their conditions so favourable (again compared legal minimums for things like rest, etc), that maintaining the business as it is has become unsustainable. In this economic climate, management doing anything less that taking significant costs out of the business risks the total failure of the business.
Whilst this strike is dangerous for the airline and a stupid move on the part of the union and cabin crew, all of those would-be passengers whinging about their wrecked holidays might want to consider that if they paid a fair rate for their tickets, this might not be happening. A random sampling of BA fares reveals the cheapest LHR-CDG is £140 of which £85 is taxes and fees, and LHR-LAX £450 of which £237.30 is taxes and charges. Sorry, but you can’t run an airline like BA (with all of its overheads and high cost base) whilst only charging a base fare of £55 return to Paris or £212 to LA. So either the fares have to go up, or the cost base has to come down – there is no long term solution without one of these two things happening. Clearly most passengers want – expect – low fares and will go for lower fares rather than pay a premium to fly on a particular airline (BA in this case), so the management at BA are well aware that the cost base coming down it has to be.
There will be no winners here… Ultimately, BA cabin crew’s Ts&Cs and pay scales are so out of whack with the rest of the industry they will have to change, strike or no strike. Leaving aside the huge loss BA will make during the strike (no revenue in, all tickets refunded), BA will already losing yet more money because of this threatened strike – no one at all will be booking flights to travel between 22nd December and 4th January, at present few people in their right minds will be booking BA for later in January in case further strikes take place, and already BA is generating a lack of good will amongst passengers who will be affected by the strike who may never book BA again. All of this, of course, makes things worse for both sides. BA cabin crew have got to wake up and realise that the business is at stake – and realise that the days of them being far better paid and on far better conditions than most others in the industry are over. There may be a part-way-house – probably nearer the management’s position than the union’s – but that will be arrived at by negotiation and an acceptance that things are different now, not by striking.
Andy
I presume the CAA has forced the airport to cease operations as the airport company has closed down – no staff (particularly fire, etc) means no licence, and I can’t EGBE operating unlicenced
Andy
Chicago O’Hare and Dallas Fort Worth have seven runways each
The dates are also pretty strange
FROM: 09/12/08 11:30C) TO: 09/12/09 11:30 EST
2009, 12th month, 08th day (i.e 11:30 today), until 2009, 12th month, 09th day (i.e. 11:30 tomorrow)!!! :rolleyes:
Please tell me you’re not a pilot!
Andy
Interestingly, only NOTAM’d closed until 09/12/09 at 1130 (estimated)
Q) EGTT/QFALC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5222N00129W005
B) FROM: 09/12/08 11:30C) TO: 09/12/09 11:30 EST
E) AD CLOSED
Andy