Excellent pics – don’t see many Ruskies though, only Hungarians! :rolleyes:
Andy
Nottingham East Midlands
The airport suffered an identity crisis during 2006, and has now consigned its name to the unknown regions again rather than retaining a strong geographical identify.
The infestation of the Tinkers (dictionary definition: Irish travellers – I’ll leave you to decide which airline I’m talking about!), got much worse in 2006, and seems set to become even more virulent during 2007. At one time, a book on air travel termed East Midlands a “charter ghetto” – well things have changed, and now its just a ghetto or maybe a “low-fare ghetto”. Since the infestation began, I have been told that the on-airport consessions that have seen biggest growth in revenue have been the bars and the condom machines – tells you a lot about who’s going through the airport these days (mainly “boozers and shaggers”, was how someone who works in the terminal described it!).
Leaving aside the Tinkers, most other business has been rather stagnant in 2006. British Airways (GB Airways) launched, which I guess is a good thing, but I don’t think that there were any other new scheduled airlines. I have no idea whether there have been or will be any new destinations, because any new routes have been associated with an airline I refuse to ever give any of my money to and so any such routes are of no interest.
Andy
As the charge is technically not leved by airlines or really has much legally to do with them it would not have to feature in the T&C. It would be viewed as a contract, of sorts, between you and the airport.
I think it would be reasonable to contend that, as the airline has been contracted to transport a passenger from one airport to another, they have at the very least a duty of care to advise passengers of additional charges associated with that transportation – the airline is transporting passengers from [say] Liverpool to Geneva, not from airside at Liverpool to Geneva. Also, having paid a “security fee” as part of the total cost of said transportation and seeing as the airline is not directly involved in security, I think it would be reasonable to contend that the security fee represented the total paid fo said security, not just a part of it. I accept that a precident may have been set in some countries where there is a locally paid departure tax that is not included with ticket purchase, but I still think that if Liverpool go ahead and implement this charge someone needs to challenge the legality of it both in principal an in the context of the airline’s terms and conditions of carriage and booking conditions that we’re all invited to read as we book flights these days.
Andy
I think, if it goes ahead, someone needs to challenge this (in court if necessary) – I don’t necessarily mean you or I, but maybe the consumer association, or another trade body.
As far as I can see, if I’ve paid for a flight and the charges include security taxes and charges and there are no conditions that state that I will be subject to security charges applied by the airport, I believe a passenger would be within their legal rights to refuse to pay the charge. Now the airport may then refuse to screen the passenger and thus the passenger might not be able to fly, but as I say I think there must be a legal recourse to remedy the situation and stop airports doing this.
The bottom line is that it seems to be that its Liverpool’s own stupid fault – they negotiated deals with airlines that they now find they aren’t able to make any money on, and are forcing passengers to pay for the airport’s greed when it came to winning business from the airlines. The airport should be forced to suck it up and not charge anymore unless and until they can renegotiate their deals with the airlines.
Andy
Andy
OK, you did ask!!! :p
Airbus A.300 – Lufthansa, Garuda Indonesia (Operated by LaTur Mexico), American Airlines, South African
Airbus A.310 – Lufthansa, Swissair, Singapore Airlines, Aeroflot, Delta Airlines
Airbus A.318 – Air France
Airbus A.319 – TAP Air Portugal, Air France, BMI, British Airways, EasyJet, Swissair, EasyJet Switzerland, Northwest, US Airways, United Airlines
Airbus A.320 – TAP Air Portugal, Lufthansa, Virgin European, Air France, British Airways, Airworld, MyTravel Lite, BMI, Swissair, All Nippon (ANA), United Airlines, Ansett Australia, South African
Airbus A.321 – TAP Air Portugal, Lufthansa, Air France, BMI, Swissair
Airbus A.330 – Gulf Air, Emirates, Lufthansa, Air France, Airtours, BMI, Swiss International, Cathay Pacific, US Airways
Airbus A.340 – Air Mauritius, Emirates, Cathay Pacific, Lufthansa, Virgin Atlantic
Antonov AN-2 – Air Ukraine
Antonov AN-32B – Peruvian Air Force
ATR ATR-72 – Alitalia Express
BAC / Aerospaciale Concorde – British Airways
BAC 1-11 – British Airways, Maersk Air UK
BAe 146 / Avro RJ – Manx Airlines, Lufthansa, CityJet Ireland (Air France), British Midland, Swissair, Crossair, Sabena, SN Brussels Air, British Airways, BA Connect, Swiss European, FlyBe
BAe ATP – British Midland, Loganair, British World
BAe Jetstream – British Midland, Eastern Airways
Britten Norman Trislander – Aurigny
Boeing 707 – British Airtours
Boeing 727 – Lloyd Aero Boliviano, Aero Peru, SAETA Ecuador, Delta Airlines, American Airlines, Northwest Airlines, Aviogenex
Boeing 737 – First Air, British Airways, Orion Airways, American Airlines, Delta Airlines, United Airlines, South African, China Xinhua, Lloyd Aero Boliiviano, Lufthansa, EasyJet, Go, British Midland, Southwest, Dan Air, KLM, Hainan Airlines, US Airways, Alaska Airlines, BMI Baby, Maersk Air UK, Air Nippon (ANK), Oman Air
Boeing 747 – Aer Lingus, British Airways, Continental Airlines, Virgin Atlantic, Northwest Airlines, KLM, Garuda Indonesia, Air New Zealand, South African Airways, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific, Air France, Lufthansa, All Nippon (ANA), United Airlines, Qantas
Boeing 757 – China Southern, Iberia, Avianca Colombia, British Airways, Continental Airlines, United Airlines, US Airways, Delta Airlines, American Airlines, Icelandair
Boeing 767 – Delta Airlines, American Airlines, Avianca Colombia, US Airways, Ansett Australia, Air Algerie, British Airways, All Nippon (ANA), Delta Airlines, United Airlines, Scandinavian Airlines
Boeing 777 – Kenya Airways, Emirates, Air China, British Airways, United Airlines, Delta Airlines, Aeroflot
Canadair Regional Jet – Canadair demonstrator, Lufthansa Cityline, Duo Airways, Maersk Air UK, Comair
Convair 580 – Court Air (South Africa)
Curtiss C-46 Commando – SAO (Bolivia), CORAL (Colombia)
De Havilland DH-104 Comet – Dan Air
De Havilland DHC-2 Beaver – Amiskwi Air, Rainbow Air
De Havilland DHC-3 Otter – Kenmore Air
De Havilland DHC-6 Twin Otter – Brymon Airways, Air Grand Canyon
De Havilland DHC-7 Dash-7 – London City Airways, British Midland
De Havilland DHC-8 Dash-8 – Lufthansa Cityline (Augsberg Airways), AIRES Colombia
Dornier 328 – Dornier demonstrator
Douglas DC-3 – Bufallo Airways (Canada), Air Atlantique, Air Colombia, Dakota National Air (Australia), South African Airways, TAVIC (Bolivia)
Douglas DC-4 – South African Airways
Embraer EMB-120 Brasilia – Skywest
Embraer ERJ.145 – British Airways, BA Connect, BMI Regional, Swiss European, Crossair, Skyways Sweden, LOT Polish
Embraer 170 – Alitalia Express, Cautauqua Airlines (United Express), Shuttle America (United Express)
Fokker 100 – British Midland, Air UK, KLM UK, Swissair, KLM
Fokker 50 – Aer Lingus Commuter, Scandinavian Commuter
Fokker 70 – British Midland
Fokker F-27 – British Midland, Busy Bee, Star Air (Denmark)
Fokker F-28 – KLM Cityhopper, Horizon Air
Ilyushin IL-18 – Interflug
Lockheed Constellation – Contellation Historic Flight
Lockheed L-1011 TriStar – Delta Airlines, American Trans Air
Lockheed L-188 Electra – Fred Olsen
MDC DC-10 – United Airlines, British Airways, Airtours, Northwest Airlines
MDC DC-9 – British Midland, Scandinavian, Zimbabwe Express/Sun Air (South Africa)
MDC MD-11 – Swissair, American Airlines, Delta Airlines
MDC MD-80 – Swissair, Scandinavian Airlines, Avianca Colombia, CTA Switzerland, Delta Airlines
MDC MD-90 – China Northern
Swearingen SA-227 Metro III – Skywest
Saab 2000 – CityJet Ireland, Crossair, Swiss European
Saab 340 – Aer Lingus Commuter, Comair, Swedair
Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer – Air Atlantique
Sud SE-210 Caravelle – Air Toulouse
Short 360 – British Midland
Sikorsky S-61 – British Airways Helicopters
Tupolev TU-134 – CSA
Vickers Viscount – British Midland, British World
Westland WG-30 – British Airways Helicopters
Andy
Why do people here have such a problem with counting to one? :confused: :rolleyes:

EMA is I think Cat 3A? You need a RVR of 200m.
Indeed, but is the AN22 CATIII equipped???
Andy
Not looking good at the moment…….
25004KT 0100 R27/0300 R09/0300 FZFG VV/// M01/M02
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Don’t you guys do CAT III or what??? :confused:
Talk about advanced former Soviet-block technology!!! :rolleyes:
Andy
Their Tu154s were regular weekly visitors to Doncaster right up until October too.
They were? Surprised by that! I know BH Air TU5s were in Doncaster and a number of other airports regularly this summer, but I wasn’t aware Air VIA TU5s had been seen in the UK for some years.
Andy
I thought that Air Via were banned from the UK??? Maybe its only the TU154s that are banned?
Andy
Both approach and tower call it ‘east midlands’, as does practically every aircraft flying to/from the airport
That’s because the commercial/marketing name of any airport is different to the operational name published in the UK CAA AIP. The AIP maintained the callsign “East Midlands” with a specific note saying not to call “Nottingham…” due to potential confusion with Tollerton where the official callsign is “Nottingham”
they should never changed it in the first place, idiots!
The idiots are the ones who’ve changed the name back to “East Midlands…” How to move from recognisable location to anonymity again in one quick step – and I’m not talking about anonymity as far as locals are concerned, but for people from afar who won’t have a clue where the airport is, even in some cases what country its in. Still I’d expect idiocy from an organisation run by someone who used to work for Asda – “pile ’em high, sell ’em cheap” is about the only thing that seems to matter to NEMA these days.
Andy
The other of the two ex-BA/ex-Khalifa/ex-Varig 777-200s is being remarketed, so there must be something more with the one that’s being parted out (up against a major check maybe?) that mitigates against it being resold for further service.
Andy
Won’t happen… Won’t appeal to NCL Pax because EK don’t have brown ale on their inflight service 🙂
Andy
Dan Air were the first UK operator of the B737-300, by the way. 🙂
No too… Orion was the first UK operator of the 733 (and I think Air Europe was the second, actually)
Andy
Some were Bcal and some Dan Air with them being delivered after the takovers it hard to figure out which ones which
Nope, incorrect. Dan Air never went anywhere near an A320 (or even an Airbus for that matter, except for two or three ex-Hapag Lloyd A300s). Dan Air’s short haul fleet was BAe146s and 737s, before that BAC 1-11s and 727s.
As far as British Caledonian A320s were concerned, the first (G-BRSA ntu) was painted in FULL B.Cal colours, but was re-reallocated to G-BUSB and repainted in British Airways colours prior to delivery.
Andy