There would be at least one potential export customer, i.e. Taiwan (why would India worry about upsetting China?).
Because our politicians lack spine ? India is not even playing the Dalai Lama card right.
Its the second.
Unfortunate really. They should’ve offered the IAF an exclusive F-18C with 414s and a smaller AESA.
USS.
Why would you want a less capable plane with a smaller AESA ? Almost all the competitors in the MRCA will stand above an upgraded F-18 C.
It would be useful to employ Bird Dogs in a sub-national conflict (like the current insurgency.
The Indian AF could use some of these against the naxals. 😎
Hi Ante,
Is there any article on this? I tried googling, but could not find any.
Thanks
Jimmy
Its in this months dti (along with an article on INs interest in E2D).
http://www.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416099555
page 35 I think 😉
What makes it even funnier is that most of the video is just a rip off of the movie Behind enemy lines.
It shows that while the SH was brought down in Behind Enemy Lines the Eurofighter Survived thanks to its towed decoy. But don’t the SH have a TD as well ?
That was a Sukhoi Commercial not the equivalant of a documentary shown in a reputed channel. Btw the EF commerical is so cool/
Gimme Space: Dogfight over the hot seat
IAF pilots and Isro scientists make for unlikely adversaries . But there’s a secret war going on between them over who should get right of
passage as India prepares to fire off its Rs 12,400-crore manned space mission. The project, steadily taking shape at various Isro (Indian Space Research Organisation) units throughout the country, has both IAF personnel and scientists claiming they are best qualified to man the initial flight from Sriharikota, tentatively planned for 2015-2017 .Though the controversy has not yet become public, it is learnt that both groups are claiming space to be their natural domain. It all began when Isro chairman G Madhavan Nair announced on August 9, 2007, that the agency was seriously considering a human space flight mission. This came exactly a year after about 80 scientists at a meeting in Bangalore, attended among others by the country’s first cosmonaut, Rakesh Sharma, said India would have to launch a manned spacecraft if it had to assert itself as a global space power.
For Sharma, part of the joint Indo-Soviet manned space mission in April 1984, the debate is a non-starter . Convinced that there should be an IAF crew on board, he said in a recent interview to TOI, “Till the various systems and technologies in the spacecraft are proven and validated, the mission should be flown only by air force test pilots since they are experienced in evaluating systems” .
Told that two Isro engineers , P Radhakrishnan and Nagapathi C Bhatt, and not pilots had been chosen to fly in Nasa’s 1986 space shuttle, Sharma explained that the shuttle’s technologies had already been established .
“Please remember that John Young, who was a part of the twoman crew which flew the first space shuttle, ‘Columbia’ , on April 12, 1981, was an air force test pilot. So, considering all this, I have absolutely no doubt that India’s maiden human space flight should be operated by IAF. After all systems are validated, an Isro team can take over.” Yuri Gagarin, the first man to fly to space on April 12, 1961, was also an air force pilot.
The book, ‘Indo-Soviet Joint Space Odyssey’ , published by the space cell of Air Headquarters in New Delhi, echoes Sharma’s sentiment. According to this book, an aviator is considered the most eminently suitable person for space experiments. “This is only natural since space is a projection of air and one starts flying in the air before graduating into space,” the book says.
But Isro, with its huge string of achievements, does not readily buy this. The main thrust of its counter-argument is that its scientists and engineers will have no difficulty in learning to make the ambitious flight. A top space agency official, declining to be identified, pointed out that since the spacecraft carrying humans will be designed and made by Isro there is no reason why its own scientists and engineers cannot fly in it. “I am convinced that our team will have no difficulty in testing the spacecraft’s systems in space. Why should it always be air force test pilots?” he said, citing Bhatt and Radhakrishnan as honourable examples . It’s a different matter, though, that the mission had to be aborted in the wake of the ‘Challenger’ disaster on Janu ary 28, 1986, that killed all the seven crew members.
Interestingly, within Isro itself there are two schools of thought on who exactly should first fly into space from Sri harikota. And the person in favour of the IAF is, rather ironically, none other than Bhatt himself. “Since it will be the first manned mission of its kind taking off from India, it has to attain a level of perfection. Keeping this in view, cooperation with the IAF will be necessary,” he said.
Bhatt, who is with Isro’s Satellite Centre in Bangalore, said if more manned flights from India are scheduled they can be handled exclusively by Isro. “But, for the first flight, IAF certainly has to play an important role,” he said. “I would be happy to go to space if I meet all the criteria.”
Sharing the opinion of Bhatt, his shuttle colleague Radhakrishnan said, “All initial space flights in the US, Russia and China were handled by air force test pilots. Remember the spacecraft has to be taken up and brought down, and this certainly calls for piloting skills. I do agree with Rakesh Sharma.”
Clearing the air, Radhakrishnan recalled that he was chosen for the space shuttle mission as a payload specialist something that does not require flying experience. “As of now, I do not think Isro has pilots and in the interest of safety a spacecraft cannot be flown by amateurs. When I say amateurs, I mean those who do not fly,” he said.
Isro, meanwhile, is awaiting a formal nod for the mission from the Union cabinet. It has already been approved by the Planning Commission, which in February 2009 said a budget of Rs 5,000 crore would be required for the initial work. The Centre has also allocated a sum of Rs 50 crore for what Isro calls “pre-project initiatives” for the year 2007-2008 . A report related to this programme has, in turn, been cleared by the space commission.
In anticipation of the Cabinet’s green signal, Isro has begun preliminary design work for the three-tonne orbital vehicle that will carry a two-member crew into the low earth orbit for seven days at an altitude of 275 km. It will be carried by the three-stage Geo Synchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV).
About 16 minutes after lift-off from Sriharikota, the GSLV will place the vehicle in orbit. Trials for the mission began with the 600-kg Space Capsule Recovery Experiment launched by the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle on January 10, 2007. The capsule re-entered and splashed into the Bay of Bengal on January 22, 2007.
India is expected to receive assistance in crew selection and training from Russia under an agreement signed between the two countries in March 2008. One option being considered is sending an Indian astronaut abroad a Soyuz capsule by 2012 in preparation for the indigenous experiment . There is a lot attached to India’s manned flight to space as it is being seen as the precursor to a possible human mission to the moon around 2020.
But as a scientist said, “In the end, it is not who gets to fly to space, but how and when India does it that will matter most.” The debate between pilots and scientists can rage on till then.
India plans space tourism offering
The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) is looking to buy a Russian spacecraft for sending space tourists into orbit.
ISRO wants to buy non-reusable Soyuz TMA spacecraft and sell two of its three seats to fare-paying passengers. The value of the potential deal was not revealed.
“ISRO has applied for acquiring a spaceship for space tourists,” said Russian space agency Roskosmos spokesman Alexei Krasnov, who added that the deal would be purely commercial and that the Soyuz would probably be piloted by a Russian cosmonaut.
Roskosmos currently charges about $35 million for a ten day tourist flight to the International Space Station. Moscow and New Delhi signed a space agreement last year, under which Russia will help ISRO in training Indian astronauts and provide technical backup enabling India to build its own manned spacecraft.
ISRO already has launch vehicles under development which could carry the Soyuz craft into orbit.
Nothing ‘fishy’ about North Korean ship: Navy
NEW DELHI/KOCHI: A probe team has found nothing “incriminating” on board a Pakistan-bound North Korean ship, which was detained off the Kerala coast for anchoring in Indian waters without mandatory clearance, a naval official said on Sunday.
The vessel, Hyang Ro, was detained at Vadakara in Kozhikode district Oct 2 and was inspected by a joint team of the Indian Navy, the Coast Guard, intelligence agencies and port authorities, naval spokesperson Commander Roy Francis said.
“The team has completed its investigations of the vessel. The ship had anchored without mandatory clearance. It cited an internal leak in its tanks as the reason for anchoring in Indian waters,” Francis told IANS over phone.
The ship will soon leave the Indian waters, he said.
“The authorities, who inspected the ship, have established that the claims of the crew were genuine. The investigating team did not find any incriminating cargo or evidence on board,” Francis added.
The ship of approximately 9,000 tonnes was en route to Port Bin Qasim in Pakistan from Colombo. The ship is captained by Choe Sung Ho and is owned by Pyongyang-based Sinhung Shipping Company.
This is the second incident this year of a “suspicious” North Korean ship being detained for anchoring in Indian waters without prior permission.
In August this year, a ship was detained in the Bay of Bengal. The vessel had dropped anchor off Hut Bay in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. However, it was later found to have genuine merchandise.
Trainer shortage to bench air force daredevils
SUJAN DUTTA
New Delhi, Oct. 6: The most visible symbol of the Indian Air Force — its stunt-flying Suryakiran team that paints the sky in the tricolours of the national flag during daredevil aerobatics — will be forced to cancel most of its shows after Thursday, the Air Force Day, because of a chronic shortage of basic trainer aircraft.
The Air headquarters has ordered the Suryakiran Aerobatic Display Team (SKAT) to transfer all their aircraft to squadrons for training cadets.
The Telegraph reported on October 3 that a new batch of cadets in the Air Force Academy that begins preparing this month may be forced to skip its first lessons in flying after the basic trainer aircraft, the HPT-32, was grounded in July after a crash.
An air force spokesperson confirmed that “their (the SKAT’s) displays will be curtailed but there is no question of disbanding the team”. He said the “curtailment” of SKAT displays will be in force for at least a year, till the air force decides what is to be done with the basic trainer, the HPT-32, and/or it gets replacements.
The SKAT, which is also an operational fighter squadron (number 52), is a nine-aircraft formation — one of only three in the world. It has 16 Kiran Mark II planes that have to be kept in top shape at all times because of the stunts — such as the Vertical Charlie or, more popularly, the “Heart with Cupid’s arrow” as an expression of love for women in the audience — the pilots have to pull off.
Distinctively painted in luminous red and white colours, the Suryakirans, formed in 1996, typically perform more than two shows every month for which they train everyday.
The Air Headquarters has asked the Suryakirans, designated the 52 squadron, to transfer all its Kiran Mark II aircraft for training cadets in an effort to make up for the shortage in the basic trainer (HPT-32).
All Suryakiran pilots — there are at least 13 in the squadron — are from among the best fighter pilots in the air force. They are also qualified instructors with an average 2,000 hours of flying behind them.
The Air Headquarters decided that it could not continue with the frequency of the aerobatics displays at the cost of training. Cadets in the Air Force Academy in Dundigal, near Hyderabad, first begin flying in the HPT-32 (stage I training), move on to the Kiran Mark II (stage II training), then to the Hawk Advanced Jet Trainer (stage III) before being deployed to operational squadrons. Irrespective of the flying stream the pilots finally go to — fighter or transport, all cadets have to begin flying in the Hindustan Aeronautics-made HPT-32.
But with all the HPT-32 (there are more than a 100) grounded, there is now a greater demand for the Kiran Mark II. The IAF is therefore re-deploying the Kiran Mark II with the Suryakiran squadron, based in Bidar, for training cadets.
Air Chief Marshal Pradeep Vasant Naik said last Thursday that there were “fundamental problems” with the HPT-32 and a committee led by an Air Vice-Marshal was studying whether the aircraft should be scrapped.
The Kiran Mark II is also of 1960s vintage. The HPT-32s were grounded after a crash on July 31 in which two senior instructors were killed.
AWACS showcased during Air Force Day dress rehearsal
Hindan (UP), Oct 6 (PTI) For the first time, the Indian Air Force today displayed its newly-inducted eye-in-the-sky Phalcon Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AWACS) at a fly past here.
Bad weather over the National Capital Region forced the IAF to cut down on its planned aerial display over Hindan air base in Ghaziabad during the full dress-rehearsal of the Air Force Day parade to be held on October 8 as the frontline fighter aircraft such as Sukhoi and Mirage 2000 could not fly-past over the venue.
During the dress-rehearsal, Senior Air Staff Officer of the Western Air Command Air Marshal K S Karnik inspected the parade.
IAF’s ‘Surya Kiran’ aerobatics team on Kiran MkII trainer aircraft and the ‘Sarang’ helicopter aerobatics team on their ALH Dhruv helicopters performed their stunts during the parade today.
IAF will have to wait to ‘shoot back’ at Naxals
Ajay Banerjee
Tribune News Service
New Delhi, October 6
The Defence Ministry is planning to lay down a set of rules of engagement (ROE) for the Indian Air Force before it finalises a proposal to allow the latter to take an action in self-defence against the Naxals.
The decision to finally allow the IAF to protect itself in case its choppers were attacked will be taken “at the highest level”, said a senior official of the Ministry. The government is very clear that there is no role for the armed forces — the Army or the IAF — in the anti-Naxal operations. “That has been ruled out so far”, said the official.
The IAF is only carrying out chopper-borne reconnaissance, transportation and medical evacuations in the Naxal-hit areas. The IAF chief Air Chief Marshall PV Naik had told mediapersons recently that he had asked the government to allow “IAF to shoot back at Naxals if they try to attack their choppers.”
According to the sources, the Ministry is not going to give permission to arm the choppers with heavy weapons. Also, the discussions are on as to decide what will tantamount to “self defence”. The IAF wants specific rules of engagement as its choppers have been fired at by Maoists in the past. A sergeant was killed in November last year when Naxals fired at a Mi-8 chopper that was on election duty in Chattisgarh.
The Home Ministry, which is conducting the anti-Naxal operations using paramilitary forces, is also against the use of excessive force or air power for internal security duties on account of collateral damage and brutal power projection.
In the past, the IAF, in its J&K anti-terrorist operations, allowed carrying of INSAS rifles and pistols to defend themselves against the militants.
Watch a Russian one then, in those the Russians always win. 😉
Russians probably cannot afford to make a Series like that because of the amount of CGI and Graphics involved. One have to only look at the poor quality of Sukhoi adverts compared to western adverts to know this :rolleyes:
Well IN is thinking about getting catapults(EMALS rather) for future carriers now. That may change things.