One may be India who are in 24 attack choppers. 😀
What about if they go for both types? If they can afford them both, and JSF is something they could need, then why not. But I’m not too sure if JSF is something they want, a single engined aeroplane I mean.
I think they will asses the capability of the JSF in A2A mode with that of the typhoon before making such a decision. Typhoon may evolve as a good a2g platform by the time JSF comes out. I don’t think they would go for both.
A Turkey – Greece War would be ideal for this 🙂 Ukraine vs Russia another 🙂 U.S vs Pakistan 🙂
Now the US fanboys wet dreaming that PAK FA “DOESN’T EXIST”. Off course they dream on the “free world” aka Bush’s USA :dev2::D
He is a chinese fanboi to be fair.
No challengers in her region. You’ve said it yourself. You’re not even presenting arguments to support your claim, but arguments to support my position: :p South Africa is a regional power, with the potential to dominate her region, & make intervention there difficult or expensive for an outside power. Your arguments about Canada relate to regional geo-politics, & Canadas regional status. What you say about Australia (disregarding the offensive language) is irrelevant to your claims, as current political stance has no relationship to potential.
You appear to be incapable of perceiving the difference between regional & global reach (& a superpower, by definition, is global), & between current status & potential.
Regarding South Africa….I hope that this forum will be alive and well by the time she wakes up to her global ambitions, and that you will be here. So i can say I toldya so 😀
Sounds like a good idea, but can Japan wait? It’ll be some time before we even see a prototype in the air, or even on the ground….
Japan should go for either the JSF or Eurofighter. After all they will be facing Chinese fourth gen aircraft in case of war. 🙂
the answer is simple. Sukhoi hasn’t revealed any information or pictures because the Pak-FA DOESN’T EXIST YET!
the pace of development in Russia is slow.
Chinese firms have already developed models and concepts of Chinese 5th generation fighters and will probably beat Russia to building the first 5th generation Fighter out side of America.
Yeah since the Chinese have been watching the Fifth Gen fighters for a while, They will probably come up with two different models in 6 years :rolleyes:.
PAK FA is to fly this year do you know when the Chinese J-xx are scheduled for first flight ? :confused:
Its all a drawing :p
On second thought it does look like a steam cat, see the jets following that white line and see where it ends in.
There is no cats in that picture. See the ski jump.
Its clearly a STOBAR carrier and the picture looks exactly like the Kuznetsov. So a Varyag copy then :rolleyes:
Can anyone Translate ?
Ok I used Google translator and here it is:
Dong Chang Li-day special correspondent
Since China’s official announcement, “are seriously considering the construction of aircraft carrier”, the international public opinion on the setting off a new wave of “China fever carrier.” East Asian region as a strategic pattern of “defenders” of greatest concern to the United States. January 6 of the “Wall Street Journal” published entitled “China in the sea,” a commentator’s article on China’s aircraft carrier the political and military influence is analyzed.
South China Sea will become the “China Lake”
The article pointed out, in terms of money or time, the construction of aircraft carriers are an unprecedented scale projects. Even if the next 10 years China has had several aircraft carriers, the technology level will also work with the United States has a generation gap, not enough to pose a fundamental challenge to the latter. However, taking into account the status of other Asian countries, China would continue to be sufficient to allow themselves to be the leading naval power in the region.
The article said that the East Asian pattern of the existing balance of power is bound to be shaken so. With the aircraft carrier stationed in the newly completed expansion of the base on Hainan Island, in the South China Sea islands, the issue of sovereignty, Beijing will have more time to make adequate emboldened. From Malacca into the vast waters of the Taiwan Strait are likely because of the presence of an aircraft carrier to become the “China Lake.”
China has announced its plans to the time the aircraft carrier also worth pondering. The article maintains that China’s “carrier complex” has a long history, the reason for the long delay was mainly due to worry about the tension caused by the Southeast Asian countries. Now, China has the courage to open the construction of the carrier’s intention is mainly based on the shift in Sino-US economic strength. The new government if Washington failed to timely respond to this signal, it may lead to shaken Southeast Asia, and ultimately abandoned by the side of China, the United States.
In fact, the whole Asian region naval construction, accelerate the trend of recent years have shown. The article maintains that the only motivation and the ability to challenge China at sea, and can only be regarded as the life line of maritime transport in Japan. If the concerns of China’s aircraft carrier led to the re-arming of Japan, then most of them facing the two countries is a long-drawn-out arms race.
The release of three positive signals
Of course, China’s aircraft carrier plans to also have positive aspects. The article maintains that the People’s Liberation Army has always been popular, “asymmetric war”, hoping to use unconventional means to offset U.S. military superiority. Now, the carrier plans to open, seems to indicate that the thinking of China’s army to return to “normal” road, which will be a reduction of future war mode of unpredictability, due to misjudgment of China and the United States reduced the risk of conflict and aroused.
Not only that, the aircraft carrier project started, the situation in the Taiwan Strait is also evidence of a gradual easing. The article pointed out, that in the past tense situation, the Chinese tend to resources will be invested in long-range missiles, such as submarines and weapons, the wish to prevent the intervention of U.S. troops, aircraft carriers because of the mainland and Taiwan too close to not have much significance. In other words, the People’s Liberation Army will now begin playing the “aircraft carrier card”, how many notes the importance of Taiwan issue has been reduced, Beijing only put more thought toward the ocean.
Friendly exchanges on the implementation of an aircraft carrier task of great value. The article said that in other Asian countries due to lack of the same class platform, the carrier will undoubtedly become a powerful tool for Paul declared. Not only that, in regional peacekeeping and disaster relief, etc., the carrier also has more advantages – as the U.S. Navy in 4 years ago in the Indian Ocean tsunami, as shown.
The article stressed that Beijing’s move, Washington will be based on a serious look at the attitude, and transferees from all over the world’s elite air and sea forces, and accelerate the transformation of the western Pacific base group for emergency use. In addition, Southeast Asian countries on how to explain the current situation, so that they are fully aware of the so-called “potential threats from Beijing,” the United States to adjust the direction of future policy.
So like Scoot and I pointed out. Japs are worried and this is going to promote an arms race.
Does anyone know which fighter is shown in the second picture ?
on the contrary, I believe that the US would never want to lose Pakistan as an ally completely to the Chinese, so they may be willing to sell them the F-35 in the future, even if they do impose some restrictions on its use, like they did with the Blk 50 F-16s.
The U.S cannot maintain Pakistan and India as allies of an equal status. And considering the fact that Pakistan’s increasing cooperation with China, and their failure to control the Taliban in their border, I do not think that is going to be the case.
The number and specs of the F 16s delivered to Pakistan means that it will not be a game changer in the region. The same cannot be said about a potential JSF variant. Also you really do not need JSF to combat the Taliban. And the risk of the Chinese getting their hands on it is too much.
why wouldn’t they be ? I’m betting they’ll do it as part of some free military package as a carrot for the Pakistani “support” in the war on terror..
That may happen but i do believe the F 16 will be the last American plane sold to them. As Pakistan is getting too close to China may be they do not want new technologies to be copied, exported, given Pakistans track record.
its not just a 126 plane order..there would be a 60 plane option, which could take the full order to 186, which is only 70 less than what the ONLY OTHER CUSTOMER, AdlA has ordered..and looking at the Su-30MKI, which started as a 40 plane order and grew to 230, its not hard to visualise a 200 odd MRCA fleet.
if the IAF is going to spend $15-20 billion on a jet, it has every right to expect almost full ToT. otherwise, Dassault should be happy selling 10-15 jet orders to other countries and keep its technology close its chest, and other countries will offer ToT. :rolleyes:
besides, I don’t understand where the attitude comes from when the Rafale has failed to secure a single export order so many years since its induction.
The only thing that would make the IAF choose the Rafale over F-18, F-16 is the full ToT. It do stand a good chance provided it offers the same 🙂