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  • in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2458902
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    Im sure, most AFs conduct cost/benefit analysis.:)
    As for being good enough, only time would tell.:) Every AF has its own requirements, and whereas we are yet to hear from China about FC-1 (if you have any evidence to the contrary, then please share…otherwise its a personal view…right?:D), PAF has already placed orders for a few squadrons and indicated its requirements going up to 275.

    I remember reading this in tphuang’s blog that the Chinese were supposed to buy 250 odd FC 1s but now that plan is dropped and they are concentrating on the J 10s and 11s.

    http://china-pla.blogspot.com/2007/10/jf-17-and-plaaf.html

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2458943
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    Any Chinese confirmation regarding this? Any chinese confirmation whether they would or would not order? Bisons performed really well against Eagles…didn’t they? JF-17 has better range, better radar (even Russian offered they Kopyo as well as Israeli 2032 (?)), and in every likelihood a better avionics suit than Bison…and they still cant replace J-7?

    Oh i just remember reading it in tphuang’s blog.

    As far as i know the ones delivered to pakistan are equiped with a Chinese radar. The wiki page has the info with citations regarding this. The Bisons advantage was partly due to its low rcs, which the JF 17 cannot match.

    You are mistaking me, they can replace the J-7 but they do not have that much more capability to demand one. The Chinese as pointed out would rather get lesser numbers of J 10s

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2458947
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    Yes in effect like I said, not good enough for Chinese service but cheap enough for Pakistani Service. And the perspective customers include the likes of Zimbabwe, which means that cost not effectiveness is the priority.

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2458960
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    No what it means is that the LCA in its current form do not offer significant advantages over the Mig 21s. Not enough to invest on ie. :D. The JF 17 is probably better than the J-7 all I am saying is that it may not be that much better as to be the replacement.

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2458975
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    When was the last time that a country made an aircraft entirely for overseas sales ? At least they could replace the old J 7s ? That is provided that they excede the capabilities of a J-7. May be it do not and thats why they are not being inducted.

    :rolleyes:

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2458985
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    From what we know, AMRAAMs are already coming into Pakistan though of course upgraded/new F-16s are yet to materialise. As for BVRAAM, I certainly hope this wont be the case, but we might find out what they have been operating for sometime.:)

    Regarding Indian dominance, I do agree…Pakistan simply cannot macth. But the question to any Indian politician should be…how much would this affect Indian capabilities vis-a-vis China in future?

    2010 is the delivery date of the F 16 Block 52+

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2458988
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    This is where I slightly disagree. If Im not mistaken, there was not much (if any) backlash against congress in recent state elections…and if so, I dont know what political pressure there is on them.

    State politics are different. Delhi for example was very well governed and Rajasthan very poorly governed by the BJP, they offered SC status for many in their election manifesto and failed to deliver leading to disruption of peace.
    Its the same all around the world my friend, when people feel less secure they turn to the conservative right, when they are fine they are more centrist, liberal.

    in reply to: The end of the LCA??? #2458994
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    Yes personal views, like the other guy thinks about Russian types.

    Aside from that I really like the J-10 😀 one of the best looking birds.

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2458997
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    I think they are finally waking up to the reality and getting BVR capable aircraft and AWACS systems. But by the time they are acquired IAF should have its 3 Phalcons and over 160+ MKIs.

    With the MRCA to start delivery in 2013-14, I think the Indian dominance is going to continue.

    Will the Chinese be willing to share/sell their fifth gen fighter to Pakistan in the future ?

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2459032
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    The JF-17s are brand new with the latest EW and avionics and a brand new BVR. Look, I gave the FLANKERs almost a flawless score.. I think thats about fair.. this is a product formula, so small differences have a big impact.

    Hardly anything is in the public realm about the avionics and radar of the JF 17. The fact that the Chinese are not taking it is a real negative for its over all outlook. Future versions may be capable but currently I am afraid they are there to just make up the numbers.

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2459035
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    Well, we’ll find out tomorrow…wont we?
    There is almost zero chance of any strike/s, for one simple reason. No one knows about Pakistani response. Even surgical strikes would more than likely receive an unprecedented response, and it wont take long for the whole thing to flare up into an open war. US is one thing (attacks in tribal areas have Pakistani blessings), but such an attack by India would be something totally different.
    To get any advantage, IAF has to assure the destruction of any targets (terrorism-related of course) at the same time. Max India would ever do is one surgical strike to test out Pakistani response…and any such effort by India would negate them any advantage.

    So all in all…while rhetoric will continue, things are unlikely to materialise on the ground at a heavy scale. Any full scale war with Pakistan would probably push Pakistan into the stone age (my personal opinion), but India’s dream of becoming a global superpower will have to wait for a long time…I belive manmohan singh mentioned 20 years or so.

    While i agree with that whole heartedly. The airstrikes if India carries out will probably be more of a political decision than a strategic one as the government is under big pressure.

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2459055
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    And since we are talking about the present. Are the F 16s upgraded ? if so how many ? Block 15 F 16s are not eligible for the .9 mark you gave them and neither are the JF 17. Especially given that the MKI is given .99.

    Seems like the first block 52+ will be delivered in 2010, clearly the early version F 16s do not deserve .9

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2459063
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    I think in case of an Indian air strike (which is very much on), we will clearly see the capability of both the airforces. I do not think PAF has the resources to conduct a retaliatory strike deep inside Indian territory. :D. Then again i think there will be losses to IAF when conducting such a raid, probably owing more to SAM.

    in reply to: PAF vs IAF – Analysis of Capability #2459075
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    I think the Bisons are worth much more than the non-upgraded Mirage IIIs. They have got reviews from the USAF for eg. 😀

    in reply to: The end of the LCA??? #2459079
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    Oh well i like Western and Russian stuff and Hate Chinese copies :D, guess everyone has their own view then.

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