ante_climax26/11 lesson: Navy and Coast Guard scan city seafront for infiltrators
The Indian Navy will carry out aerial surveillance of the city’s coastal regions to prevent possible infiltration along the lines of the 26/11 terror attack, the Mumbai Police said.
The Coast Guard and the Navy have already launched a massive joint operation, patrolling the coast. It will continue on Tuesday.
“There is no specific terror threat but all precautions are being taken. We have approached the Coast Guard, the Navy and the Indian Air Force. The Navy and the Coast Guard are engaged in a big coastal policing exercise, and the Navy has also started aerial surveillance of coastal areas in the city with its choppers. We are also talking to the Indian Air Force requesting aerial surveillance,” said Joint Commissioner of Police (Law and Order) Himanshu Roy.
“Since 90 per cent of the police force will be engaged in election duties, the city can become a soft target. We want to ensure that there is no infiltration from the sea as in the case of the 26/11 terror attack,” said Roy.
The 8,600 polling booths have been divided into 1,200 zones, with 93 vulnerable pockets and 136 critical polling stations identified in Mumbai.
“There will be booth-wise police bandobast. Central paramilitary forces and state reserve police forces will supplement the police force. A total of 950 patrolling mobiles fitted with wireless sets will be out in the city, and we hope to respond to any distress call within five minutes,” said Roy.
District Collector (Mumbai City) Idzes Kundan said the Colaba-to-Sion-Dharavi area has 46 vulnerable hamlets and 53 critical polling stations. “Substantial security has been provided,” she said. “Vulnerable hamlets are those areas from where we expect some trouble and we have demarcated the polling stations in those hamlets as critical.”
As a prevetive, the police have detained, externed or made 7,588 people sign bonds in the city. A total of 324 political goondas have been identified and their names shared with central paramilitary forces.
The police have seized 45 unlicensed firearms and 135 other weapons such as knives, swords. Of the 19,490 licensed firearms in the city, 173 have been deposited with the police based on a scrutiny committee’s recommendations. No person will be allowed to carry a licensed arm in public till completion of the election process.
ante_climaxAnte Climax, yes they will learn from helicopter and use that knowledge to furthur own industry. Nothing wrong with that. Knowledge is power.
I am happy as long as its not an exact replica with a new name and sold to 3rd parties.
ante_climaxIts interesting when you read Indian defense blogs or forums that are obviously targeted at Indian readers. The comment section, is more open and lively interms of critical analysis of HAL and DRDO (success,failures, progress etc).
When you come to here (international forums), this is not the case. Before you counter, yes the same can is true with other non Indian members. More open in own respective forums but not on international forums.
To this i whole heartedly agree. Even in forums like BR, there are a lot of users (they cannot all be Pakistanis because they join in the ‘abuse of other nationals main event now and then’ ) who criticize the DRDO, HAL and other organziations. The number of these members are nearly as high as the DRDO, HAL supporters.
Actually many talks in BR are constructive with people pointing out the flaws and appreciating the good stuff.
Here if an Indian national or some one else point out something about the DRDO the usual suspects go ballistic.
ante_climaxHe headed the DRDO team which disagreed with the assessment. His job was to act as the evaluator. He did his job, thats that, irrespective of how much you hate the fact that he did it.
He did it wrong. He is trying to force an entire nation to do what he wants or sees right. Which will not happen.
More idiocy. Do you even know how to spell? Its rogue, not rouge. And Chidambaram being discussed here is not the MOH but RC. First understand the topic.
You have ran out of arguments and is reduced to pointing out spelling mistakes.
Your statement is irrelevant. What matters is deterrence which it is EVERY Govts job to provide. Your comments are a red herring.
I am confident when my government states that our nuclear tests have been successful and believe in the official line. You have not much choice the main opposition does the same. Throw tantrums all you like.
He is an accomplished scientist who has given his peers 11 years to design a working TN weapon. As to what the establishment will do or will not do, that is beyond your knowledge, given you have no idea of how the establishment functions, let alone be a member, at your young age.
No it is not beyond my knowledge when the establishment and the party which headed the former government is clear and definite in its public briefings. He is an accomplished scientist but by no means a distinguished one. He is only famous because of this row now.
Your Gods in the United States, those whom you worship everyday certainly think so.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/…ear-bombs.html
So take your claims of nationalism etc and shove them up your knickers.
I know who my God is.
Quoting Tabloids which are not worth the bandwidth they are hosted on or paper they are printed on do not count. The question is has this been accepted internationally, like for example Americans acknowledge A.Q Khans proliferation. The answer is no. The rest of your comment does not warrant a reply.
Former U.S. Air Force Secretary Thomas Reed
Some one who has a view that is not accepted by his country’s government. Like I said a lone voice here or there does not make any difference. Yet another conspiracy theorist.
From your beloved Source “Is the world safer or more dangerous with all these powers?
The world is safer for having all the permanent UN Security Council members possess nuclear weapons. I think having North Korea, Pakistan, and India is probably not a good idea. Nuclear proliferation, above all, is not inevitable as many thought at the dawn of the nuclear age.“
You either accept everything some says as good and true or you discard them all, your selectively myopic.
Point A – your relatives are not you. You dont have a Phd. You have accomplished nothing so far yet, and hiding behind the petticoats of your relatives is not an excuse.
1. I was only trying to let you know getting a PhD is not much of an accomplishment these days. I will have one in a year, there are time constraints before one can pass a course or submit a thesis. Only people who have done it would understand.
Point B – your relatives may be earning far more & you may be working in a call center, but that still does not change the fact that KS has four decades of domain experience & both you and your relatives lack that.
The Call Center swipe is the reason why i disclosed to some folks here what I do, but still if it gives you more confidence thinking that I work in a call center by all means do so. You only get experience as you get old, experience is good, but it is by no means substitute for genius. There are younger scientists who has already accomplished more than Santhanam has in all his 40 years of service. You are singing his praises now because he is trying to steal the show now.
Point C- you seem to conflate earnings with capability, quite a funny thing that. Is it a reflection of your current situation & that you feel hard done by?
No actually you are usually paid for what you are worth. He reminds me of an old man looking back at his life and regrets doing what he did, thinking may be should have done research work outside the establishment and earned more accolades. A man who is jealous of his peers trying to get an instant shot at fame.
The Govt has already asked the AEC to respond to Santhanams statements.
The Govt will have to do far more in a creditable and timebound manner if they have to address his serious queries.
And the AEC has said we have the ability to make TN warheads and that the test was successful. End of.
Brave words, but your actions so far dont seem to bear it out.
You dont appear to know much about your own country or its states.
You have to be spoonfed the data about the actual details of its various development programs.
In various posts after posts, you routinely run down anyone and anything which runs against the grain of the Holy Indo-US deal.
For all your talk of war rhetoric, you post reams about which fighter to choose and what not.
In short, all your claims are rhetoric.
Your hatred of Santhanam is because you see him as a threat to your demi God the Indo-US nuclear deal, which you prize above your own country’s strategic interests.
The rest is all flim flam to disguise this – namely attacking anyone who disagrees with you as a warmonger, militarist etc.
Santhanam is a nuclear scientist. Tell me how many nuclear scientists are strategic analysts. He is not the one to determine a countries deterrence.
Asinine argument. Just because there are few does not mean there are none.
It has been clearly shown to you via documented evidence that the very same Govt of India (which you talk so fondly about) appointed Santhanam as the head of its prized strategic affairs institute & that Santhanam is a well established strategic analyst (check the link).
The rest, as usual, from you is rhetoric. You claimed Santhanam could not talk about deterrence since he was merely a scientist and not an analyst (that exalted breed). Now that it has been shown to you that the GOI itself recognises Santhanam as a top analyst, one who was handpicked to head the IDSA, you come up with more pfaffle.
That he is appointed at the IDSA does not change anything. Majority of the strategic analysts and think tanks in this country has stated that we have enough deterrence even without the TN weapon.
Laughable or true?
The fact is that irrespective whether you are paid to do your research – currently you are a nobody in the professional domain, even the one you work in. You are two years away from even your first professional work for your peers to judge you by.
Age wise, you are a kid, barely an adult.
Career wise, you are a novice.Clearly, professional excellence is yet to be achieved by you.
On the other hand, you call a man who has excelled in the most competitive and challenging scientific disciplines, for four decades, a dog.
What does that say about you?
It says more about the ancient world you try to live in. I have done well with what I do so far. I have most of my life ahead of me, he has most of it behind him, it is unfair to compare people at different stages of their lives. And he ranks quite low among scientists of his age.
For the 100th time, because you seem to be lacking comprehension I did not call the man a dog, I likened the way he is talking to a Pomeranian barking non stop for attention. Do not twist my words to suite your ends.
But who are you to state whether he has achieved anything or not?
Secondly, the second part of the statement exposes everything does it not.
You are angry with Santhanam for “discrediting his nation in some way”.
Thats all that matters to you. So it is you who has the nationalistic blinders on.
I live near VSSC I see scientists working there, waking up in the morning walking to the bus station and boarding the bus to go to work and coming back in the evening. I have seen them retire, their kids working in the same place as well. I have not seen anything special or excellent about them. They are obviously very good collectively like an efficient pack of ants, but as individual units they are not the best of brains. For me Santhanam is just that working for BARC and DRDO rather than ISRO, an efficient ant in a group of dedicated hard working scientists, but not a genius to stand above his Peers. Like a Kalam or a Sarabhai or a Bhaba.
I only said he discredited the nation because you made him out to be a national hero.
Given you are not a Physicist, and given you know little about Santhanams public achievements, how would you know he has achieved less?
Secondly, what have you achieved so far to judge Santhanam by, and to call him a dog?
Firstly accomplishments are mostly rewarded at least in ones home country. I am yet to see anything of the sort given to Santhanam. How many international papers have he presented. This is how you judge a scholar or a scientist.
Secondly I am Judging him because he is judging others. I did not call him a dog, i explained this in this very post and the post before.
You started the quoting game. That too, from Goering no less. Didnt work out too well from you when I brought in Teddy Roosevelt did it?
That quote had nothing to do with KS, it was directed at matt because he was paranoid about China. I explained it in another post. Seems how much you read before react.
I stopped the quoting game because then we will have to dedicate a section of our posts to that.
Santhanam got the Padma Shri & has nowhere indicated that he was in anyway dissatisfied with the same.
Padma Sri is given nowadays to anyone who is old and achieved very less. Including actors who hardly deserve it.
Who is “we” Ante?
Dont project. I really dont care about the jealous old folks in your life but Santhanam is anything but bitter.
He is lucid, clear, and remarkably sanguin
We as in most folks in this world who have experience with old folks.
True, India may have many warts, but surely, since you dislike it so much, you can always emigrate to the land of milk and honey! But I can tell you this, if you want to do so, you better pull up your socks and learn something at least from the likes of Santhanam – namely hard work. Merely “I have two years to write my paper” wont get you anywhere let alone a ticket to the United States, where you clearly, desparately want to go, judging by your fevered posts on assorted topics.
Another Personal Swipe from some one who clearly do not understand anything about Academic work or research thesis or even how a research fellowship Scheme works. This is off topic but let me explain
1. You get three years to submit your paper with one more year extension if needed.
2. 2008 is when I started I only have to submit in 2011. This is the same everywhere in the world number of years range from 2-5.
3. I do not want to go to U.S.A, It is hardly the most conducive place to do what I do.
Rather than trying to take cheap swipes at me learn about how things work. I acknowledge your knowledge about Indian Aerospace, but you have very little common knowledge.
PS: I will not be making further replies to this topic here. If you want to talk PM me. This is because we are not discussing the issues at hand, your are throwing personal jibes at me and I am refuting them.
ante_climaxIndian nuclear scientists are trying to bully their government into testing a nuclear weapon. That would be a huge setback — for India’s relations with Washington, for the battle against terrorists, and for global efforts to halt the spread of nuclear weapons.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is resisting. He must continue to resist.
If India tests, the United States is bound by a 2008 agreement to cut off all sales of nuclear fuel and technology. That would be a huge setback to India’s plans to expand its nuclear power generation and its economy.
We fear that if India tests, Pakistan will decide that it has to test. That would raise tensions between the two longtime rivals, and it would further distract Islamabad and its generals from the far more important battle against the Taliban and other extremists inside their country and along their border with Afghanistan.
Congress recently approved a five-year, $7.5 billion aid package to strengthen civilian rule in Pakistan and encourage the fight against extremists. There would be strong pressure to cut that aid if Pakistan tested. And if India and Pakistan test (China also may be unable to resist), it could make it even harder for President Obama to persuade the Senate to ratify the test ban treaty.
India (followed by Pakistan) last conducted nuclear tests in 1998. Since then, there have been hints that it might test again. In recent weeks, the debate took on a new urgency when some former top nuclear scientists made the case publicly. K. Santhanam, a director for the 1998 test-site preparations, claimed those tests did not yield the desired results and were a “fizzle.”
One has to wonder why he waited 11 years to raise the alarm. We suspect that Mr. Santhanam and his colleagues are worried that if Washington finally ratifies the treaty, India may feel compelled to sign on.
The treaty’s appeal is undeniable. Some 182 nations have signed it and 150 have ratified it. It limits the ability of nuclear states to field fancier warheads and makes it harder for nuclear wannabes to develop weapons.
But it cannot enter into force until nine key states — including the United States, China and India — also ratify. Mr. Obama has pledged to work for Senate ratification and urged all other holdouts to do so.
So far, New Delhi does not seem to be taking Mr. Santhanam’s bait. “India does not need to carry any more nuclear tests,” the Indian Atomic Energy Commission chairman, Anil Kakodkar, said last month. He insisted that his agency has confidence in its ability to get the weapons data it needs by conducting simulated tests. He should keep insisting.
The United States should make clear that India has more to gain by focusing on economic growth and expanding global cooperation than on developing more nuclear weapons. And it should leave no doubt about how much India and the rest of the world have to lose if New Delhi makes the wrong choice.
ante_climaxMay be there are things in the new Ka-28 that they want to copy.
MOSCOW — Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise, JSC, part of the industrial holding managed by Russian Helicopters, has produced the first shipment of the anti-submarine Ka-28 for The Republic of China Navy
Nah it could not be that, could it ?
ante_climaxThanks for clarifying rumcajs. We know now that IAF did not send RFI to the Czechs for trips to the Czechs Republic.
ante_climaxCan’t India build PakFa without Russia? It does have a rich history of building jets on her own (Marut/LCA) and it is even exporting a decent chopper (Druv). With the economical upturn it had one can expect that India can move beyond Russia.
Experience does not come with economic upturn. Partnership with Russia benefits both countries. India gets cutting edge tech and Russians get much needed cash.
ante_climaxYou seriously, seriously, need to go beyond the conspiracy theories & love of the US (have you even been to the US even once, btw?)
The facts are straightforward, in 1998, KS submitted a report to the GOI stating why the TN test failed.
The GOI slept on it, because the NSA Brajesh Mishra screwed up & was not able to convince R Chidambaram to have the issue settled.
The current Govt has been floating balloons via the press of signing the CTBT and what not.
KS has given the rest of the establishment 11 odd years to get its act together and weaponise the TN.
They have not, and with the CTBT coming up, he did what was right & spoke up.
He knows more about Chinese weapons development than ANYONE on this board. He is the one who traced the proliferation of chinese designs to Pak via a complex network. He headed IDSA & traced Chinas RMA. He knows what he is speaking.
His educational qualifications dwarf yours & most of the folks on this board, his work experience spans some 4 decades in military research & development and analysis.
Understand that. When a man like that stands up & asks the establishment to get its act together, its not a time to circle the wagons, its a time to introspect.
In 1998 he was one of the lone voices.
Brijesh Misra and current NSA are qualified for their jobs. So is Mr. Chidambaram. You only seem to like the rouge voices.
The people elected the government to power. If you do not like it vote against it in next term or try whipping up a campaign and see the support you get.
KS giving the establishment time ? Who is he a demi god ? Whatever he says now the establishment will not do anything ? Like you said he is old and the government will not even consider changing anything before he is ‘gone’
Chinese designs to PAK are just basic nationalistic ramblings. It has not been proved to the international community that China gave Pakistan the bomb. Go see past ur nationalistic blinds.
You do not know the educational qualifications of most in this board. But the max KS has is a PhD in some field of physics which is not a big thing as a few relatives of mine has the same and trust me they do earn an awful lot more than this guy.
The government will not introspect if one or two scientists talk rubbish. I will buy you a drink if the government does that. Seriously and stop posting in this board altogether.
As the Americans – your heros say- when in a hole, stop digging.
Santhanam is THE strategic analyst as far as nukes go. He was handpicked to head the IDSA, the GOI’s premier analyst center to clean it up & fix it.
http://news.indiamart.com/news-analy…ad-o-5392.html
The rest are bloody amateurs who are more enamoured of free publicity.
Santhanam is a hard nosed professional, one who has been in the know of Indian weaponization to the n’th degree.
Americans are not heroes. My heroes are Indians who want the country to develop rather than test Nukes and get on war rhetoric.
Santhanam is a nuclear scientist. Tell me how many nuclear scientists are strategic analysts. He is not the one to determine a countries deterrence.
Guess what you remind this forum of?
With your what…1-2 years of experience in doing …what exactly?
What have you achieved so far in your 24-25 odd years of life to behave like this? You have not even begun your career in due earnest, let alone achieved any modicum of any sort of excellence in your field.
Who is the dog here, you or him?
Your personal swipes at me are rather laughable. I am paid to do my research i have 2 more years to submit my work. Actually I am happy with the way things are I am earning good with lot of time in my hands.
I did not call him a dog, i compared him to a noisy dog. Two different things.
Theres a better quote to describe the likes of Santhanam – and one day, if you achieve even a tenth of what he has done in his life so far, you should consider yourself lucky.
Again, from the United States – since you have so much faith in them.
For me he has achieved nothing, he has discredited his peers and in some way his nation thats all.
I am not a physicist even if I were one I would have other famous names to look up to rather than some one who has achieved very less.
He knows this that is why he is trying to be a national hero now talking out of his ass.
Teddy Roosevelt: “It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”
THAT is Santhanam. The man in the arena, the man in the ring who’s still doing his best, by his country, even at his age, when he could be happily eating off his pension & letting the next generation take the fall, when they discover the TN component of the deterrent are clunkers.
And people like you compare him to a dog, shame on you.
I dont think I even need to say anything more, because everyone here, matt, nirav, lordofjedi, rayrubik have seen your words for what they are…excreta, nothing less nothing more.
If you go for the quoting game, I can find sinister quotes as well.
Santhanam is none of that. He just wants to get a thrill nearing the end of his life. He wants to be in the media on tv. He could not do so with his achievements as a scientists. Did not get Bharat Ratna like his peers. So its understandable. We all have all encountered jealous old folks.
Call it whatever you wish. You are responding to it. Do i call what you or others talk here as ****. I do not because even though i disagree with your view you are entitled to it. India still needs to go a long way before we understand the meaning of true rights.
ante_climaxDisagree with this being my personal problem. I was born to completely different times and deeds of my predecessors have nothing to do with me. I don’t owe anything to Jews, Arabs or any other ethnic group for that matter.
May not be in your case. But there are many folks living in Europe in homes and property formerly owned by Jews till they were evicted and sent to concentration camps. Their descendants do owe them. It is to stop legal and social problems of jewish claims that Eastern and Western Europeans agreed on the creation of a Jewish state.
Loot of World War 2 is still being returned and War Criminals still being hunted. Returning Jews who have the will to dig up old documents could have been a big problem back then.
ante_climaxI think the Irbis-E along with more thrust(117-s) perhaps..
It will be a BARS upgrade and then a BARS AESA and not Ibris – E
Re: Jaguar Engines…here are the honeywell and RR videos.
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/06/honeywells-iaf-jaguar-re-engine.html
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/08/first-on-livefist-rolls-royces-iaf.html
To be honest Honeywell’s solution looks more impressive.
The L-159 uses a honeywell engine whose uprated version is offered for the IAF Jaguar upgrades. Rolls Royce is also offering an engine which has commonality with the IAF Hawk fleet. Now if the IAF order L-159 as their new Advanced Trainer that advantage is gone.
ante_climaxAny idea about what sort of affect this would have on other performance parameters such as fuel capacity and range? Also how many weapons could be carried internally? Would such a modified airframe be heavier and bigger than normal MKI and if so would it use a more powerful engine?
I think this is all speculative. I do not think the MKI will get internal carriage of weapons. Especially with the FGFA being ready by 2017. The upgrade will mostly be on Radar and other things.
ante_climax40+17 were the optional Hawks. May be the actual order for this contract will be higher. But i guess with so many competitors IAF will not be bothering with second hand air-frames.
May be the T-50 or Yak 130 to keep the Amercians or Russians happy (especially if they are disappointed at losing the MRCA>.
ante_climaxWhy because they wont open a production line for 57 or more orders ?
ante_climaxRe-open? For 19 aircraft? Don’t forget the 47 they have in storage. And I ask yet again – is that really what the IAF wants?
Its going to be a competition. The new rules say that everything must be procured after competitions. The IAF had 40+17 (not 66 sorry) or so additional options when it signed the Hawk deal with BAe for 66 Hawks. It is not exercising the options and is going to issue a new RFP for those trainers. It will be a competition (possibly like the MRCA) and a winner will be selected. The L-159 is among the contenders.
IAF will possibly insist on all new aircraft and not converted ones.
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