ante_climaxThe IAF order will be for 57 trainers. Will they not consider re-opening the line for that ?
ante_climaxAccording to WIKI
L-159B
The L-159B is a two-seat derivative of the L159A primarily designed for Advanced and Operational/Lead-In Fighter Training. The L-159B configuration can also be tailored to customer specific requirements and adapted to needs of basic training as well as combat missions including air-to-Ground, patrol and reconnaissance missions.
ante_climaxWell L-159 has a big competiton coming its way. The trouble is that there is some major competiton in that.
http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/09/indias-next-advanced-trainer.html
ante_climaxI think your post qualify for a new tread, don’t you anti_climax?
May be another forum altogether, however kindly not that that post was a reply for another. Sometimes weapons and politics are so intertwined.
ante_climaxAgni-5: multiple warheads, road-mobility, global reach
Ajai Shukla
Business Standard
Hyderabad 12th Oct 09
The Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) in Hyderabad, which develops India’s strategic (long-range, nuclear-tipped) missiles, has dramatically increased the options for its forthcoming Agni-5 missile by making it highly road-mobile, or easily transportable by road.
That enables the Agni-5 to reach targets far beyond its stated 5,000-km range by quickly moving closer to the target. In a hypothetical war against, say, Sweden, an Agni-5 launcher, stationed near Bangalore, would be unable to strike Stockholm, 7,000 km away. But moving by road to Amritsar would bring Stockholm within range.
Similarly, moving the Agni-5 to northeast India would bring even Harbin, China’s northernmost city, within striking range. From various places across India, the Agni-5 can reach every continent except North and South America.
The Agni-5 will be the first canisterised, road-mobile missile in India’s arsenal, similar to the Dongfeng-31A that created ripples during China’s National Day Military Parade in Beijing on October 1. India’s current long-range missile, the Agni-3, a non-canisterised missile, can only be moved with difficulty from one place to another.
In many other respects, the Agni-5, which is scheduled to make its first flight in early-2011, carries forward the Agni-3 pedigree. With composites used extensively to reduce weight, and a third stage added on (the Agni-3 was a two-stage missile), the Agni-5 can fly 1,500 km further than the 3,500-km Agni-3.
“The Agni-5 is specially tailored for road-mobility,” explains Avinash Chander, Director, ASL. “With the canister having been successfully developed, all India’s future land-based strategic missiles will be canisterised as well”.
Made of maraging steel, a canister must provide a hermitically sealed atmosphere that preserves the missile for years. During firing, the canister must absorb enormous stresses when a thrust of 300to 400 tonnes is generated to eject the 50-tonne missile.
Canister technology was first developed in India for the Brahmos cruise missile. But it was the K-15 underwater-launched missile, developed here in Hyderabad for India’s nuclear-powered submarine, INS Arihant, which fully overcame the technological hurdles in canisterising ballistic missiles.
Another major technological breakthrough that will beef up the Agni-5 is ASL’s success in developing and testing MIRVs (multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicles). An MIRV, atop an Agni-5 missile, comprises three to 10 separate nuclear warheads. Each warhead can be assigned to a separate target, separated by hundreds of kilometres; alternatively, two or more warheads can be assigned to one target.
“We have made major progress on the MIRVs in the last two years,” is all that Avinash Chander is willing to say on the subject.
Nevertheless, extensive testing still lies ahead for this highly complex technology. MIRVs will be deployed on the Agni-5 only after another 4-5 years.
While MIRV technology is similar to launching multiple satellites through a space rocket, a missile requires far greater accuracy. A satellite would be considered in correct orbit even it is a kilometre higher or lower than planned.
But each warhead in an MIRV must impact within 40 metres of its target. With such high accuracies, even small nuclear warheads are sufficient for the job.
Strategic planners consider MIRVs essential, given India’s declared “no first use” nuclear policy. Even after an enemy has hit India with a full-fledged nuclear strike, destroying or incapacitating much of the strategic arsenal, a handful of surviving Indian missiles must be capable of retaliating with massive and unacceptable damage. Multiple warheads on a handful of Agni-5 missiles would constitute such a capability.
MIRVs also enable a single missile to overwhelm the enemy’s missile defences. Tracking and shooting down multiple warheads are far more difficult than intercepting a single warhead.
Providing each warhead with the capability to manoeuvre, and dodge enemy interceptor missiles, increases survivability further. The MIRV warheads are also being given electronic packages for jamming enemy radars.
ante_climaxWhat does F-22 possibly have to do with “MMRCA News and Discussion”?
Keep it on topic…
F 18 C, Mirage 2000, LCA and F 15 C also have nothing to do with MRCA 😮
ante_climaxSince 3D Art is welcome, does anyone have that snazzy imaginative fighter they have an Ace Combat 6 ?
Nashio – that according to some is the PAK FA. The Millionth Fan Boy Art of the Same.
ante_climaxWhy would you place Brahmos so close to the border to China, it is the first thing china would go for in any confrontation.
The Brahmos is a highly mobile platform and i would assume it won’t be stationary when we are in conflict.
ante_climaxNo just that the pictures do not look original.
ante_climaxI think you don’t stay in India. You have to come here to see the real face of elected govt. If you ever visit any govt office you will understand how they work and what is the situation of our country in the hands of those ‘elected’ politicians.
A people get the government they deserve. ;). All of the problems you talk about occur mostly at the state and local government levels and is because of bureaucrats rather than politicians.
I do live in India and I know how things are. If a government servant misbehaves you can always complaint to the vigilance or his superior (I have a personal experience with a Post Master being rude to me for some one not writing my full name on a parcel send to me, I only withdrew my complaint after he apologized to me, If you have the will to not stand up for **** chances are you have less of it coming your way). Most people in India do not care to do that. They have a slave mentality in them which dates back to the British rule. It is not a by product of democracy but that of laziness and lack of activism from the public.
ante_climaxI won’t be surprised if the whole thing is photoshopped/
ante_climaxThere is no need to make comparisation with JF17. If you say that it has no Pakistani content then so be it. That plane is medium tech and no one says it can handle pretty much everything. But let us focus on a huge plane like MKI. Plane is designed by Russia. Weapons, radar, ejection seat, engines… All Russian. When we move towards the often used avionis part… Please tell me whih part is purely Indian and where it had no TOT, consultany or whatever? Look Israel provided most of the avionis. So did Thales. But there must be something in a huge plane with that many parts that we can say that they really added something they could not get anywhere else for that price/quality?
About LCA. I fully agree that it is not a paperplane. It is a pretty fine machine and compared to average plane not bad at all. But it is a long way from being a dangerous and operational plane. You need weapons, radar, power, numerical advantage etc etc. Please do not take it personal and keep posting cause it is intresting talking to you.
I think the RWR, Mission Computer and EW pods are Indian in the MKI. Seems you are incapable of turning back a page and reading Austins post i will quote some of it here. You can clearly see whats sourced from are raw materials and HAL is not just assembling prefabricated parts.
Does the radar come directly from Russia?
No, initially N011 radar of Su-30MKI used to come from Russia, but once the license was transferred to HAL, it is now being manufactured in Hyderabad. Like the aircraft, the manufacture of the radar is also a phased process.
Phase IV, which has just begun, will take a total of 36 months and will involve making the entire fuselage from the Russian supplied raw material. Indian manufacturers for raw material, like Midhani, can make some of the raw material to required specifications.
LCA has already undergone unguided weapons trials I believe. Radar is ready according to some users here anyway the Elta 2032 may be used as an interim solution. The power-plant is in place for the intial order of 20 MK1s with 20 more options.
ante_climaxThen I will be happy if we can discuss the LCA when it is inducted and that will be in a few years. We cannot compare paper planes with real planes. MKI is not made in India. MKI is invented by Russians. It is build by Russians. The parts are exported by Russians. And these parts are assembled in India. Even the process control is done by Russians. There is a way difference between building a plane and putting it together. If you look careful at some inside reports you will see that it is cheaper for India to import all poarts then setup a local production facility. You know the sites and otherwise I can help you with finding them.
I am not a fan of combat records based on onesided info. I agree that shooting down a crippled Iraci airforce plane is hardly a kill. But telling that a plane, that has no war record at all, is superb over everything is even more unreliable. I am not comparing yet but purely reacting to a statement that is based on IHNC (I Have No Clue).
Many of the MKI avionics are from India and Israel the MFDs are from Thales. There is more Indian content in the MKI than there is PAKistani content in the JF 17. (I do however unlike many fellow Indians believe there is some Pakistani input in that plane)
LCA is not a paper plane, Paper planes are the ones which haven’t passed the drawing board or prototype stage. But like USS said ur trying to flame. I will stop responding to you.
ante_climaxNo China wanted that Russia wasnt prepared to reopen the Su 33 line for such a small order.
ante_climaxThe fact that Mig29K/KUB will be used need not preclude the development of an upgrade or follow-on to the Su-33. It is merely convenient to use Mig 29k(support Mig + get a greater number of newer and more versatile aircraft onto Kuz soon.
If PLAN is planning it own design follow-on to mod-Varyag, then this likely to be bigger. It would be better feasible to stick with Flanker-size aircraft like J11B or follow-on in that case.
It is unlikely that the Russians will cater to Chinese needs and produced a limited number of Su 33s for PLAN. 😉
China have to develop a carrier based variant of its J 11 in house. Which will be hard to do unless they get license manufacture of some Su 33s. :rolleyes:
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