The Blk 50 can no longer be claimed high agile. It is a formidable striker in the meanwhile, but no longer a high agility fighter.

Another baseless claim 🙁

I guess none of you even looked at the video typhoon postd 🙂

This is getting silly. You know that there are no F-16 specific DACT data published. But that does not mean we do not, and can not, know nothing about its performance. Stop playing silly games & do some studying. You are providing no input of your own here, merely claiming that your viewpoint (for which you provide no evidence whatsoever) must be correct because you consider the evidence for my viewpoint to be insufficient to prove it. Life doesn’t work like that. So far, this has been a one-way process. If you want anyone here to take you seriously, you have to put something into it. Now, come on – why do you think that the F-16E is the equal as a dogfighter (which, BTW, I think is a comparison of limited value nowadays) to earlier F-16s, the Eurocanards, & other current fighters? What about it makes you believe that? Provide evidence – for example, can you point to DACT results? :diablo:

No the ones who are making claims which are contrary to the established facts are the ones who have to provide the evidence. It is a fact that all variants of F 16 up till the block 52 can dogfight well, so its normal to assume that the block 60 can do it as well. If you state otherwise the impetus is on you to prove it otherwise, not on me.

Its like a physics theory, your propose it you prove it, you don’t ask others to disprove you before you prove it. 😉

No its not, but people who post here only talk that it must do this and not that. They are not backing them up with any kind of model or anything.

When we are discussing about aircraft like the Mig 21 and F-104, we have a lot of data and there have been dog fights and combat losses. This is one of the rarest of aircrafts and we don’t even know how it performs.

So quite simply this does this and don’t do that, its all speculation. I remember the block 52s were called overweight by the early block enthusiasts when it came out, but it showed to be a very capable dog fighter, so reserve your comments till at least you see it in action or get some reports of it in action.

Guesswork?

How about Roy Braybrook?
How about Spey, Riccioni and the rest of “light weight fighter mafia”?

How about getting a calculator and doing a bit of maths?

How about stop being the wise guy and posting us links on the handling of F 16 block 60.

How about backing up opinions coming out of your backside with arguements other than ‘get a calculator’

You are the one who made the claim, I am asking you to prove it, If you can, do it !

The F-16E/block 60 is 20% heavier than the F-16C/block 52. That’s a much bigger jump than from the original F-16A to the F-16C/52 – and on the same wing. Wing loading of the F-16E is enormous.

As a missile-armed interceptor, or strike aircraft, it’s fine. As a dogfighter, it’d be like an F-104 against a MiG-21. As soon as it gets into a turning engagement, it’s in deep trouble. Of course, it’s supposed to use its radar, missiles, & straight line speed to keep it out of that sort of engagement.

Have you seen the Block 60 dogfight ?

If you have not, do you have any info about Emirati Block 60s in training or DACT. Till then that would remain your opinion only.

Frankly, I’d rather have seen the f-16 blk 60 airframe closer to the XL as it was originally supposed to be.

Yes I would have liked that too.

But what he said is speculation based on certain general principles, now the block 60s are one of the most elusive birds, not much is known about their performance in joint exercises etc. May be the evaluation report of MRCA (if its ever published) will give us a better understanding about its handling.

Can the Mig 35 carry more payload than the F 16 IN. What about maintenance, single engined aircraft are easier to maintain and have high sortie rates. The IAF folks will tell you their western Jets especially Mirage require less maintenance.

I would personally like the F 16 or Gripen win the MRCA because of this. Less operating cost, more flight hours, better training, better readiness 🙂

It may have decreased slightly, albiet not considerably to call it a flying brick. If you look at the HAF thread it seems the Block 52 F 16s faired decently against the Rafale.

Exactly the oposite.
The Block 50/52+ albeit having better acceleration are out turned at any altitude by any MLU Viper or block 25.
The Block60 his a flying brick, a ten ton behemoth flying on a 7 ton wings.
At full weight it has the worst weight/wing area relation of any NATO tactical fighter ever, and that includes the F-104G.

Can you give any sources regarding the agility of the block 60 rather than your wise estimate.

Flying Brick lol, give source then make such claims. :confused: