Thats the whole Point ,build up Stocks of American Weaponry and introduction of new and alien weaponry to IAF which very few in IAF have been exposed to ,i cannot remember one country which was or has successful maintained American and Russian Jet both in numbers ,remember 126 is still a huge number rather then 20 or 30 which some S Asian countries have

I know, but we are going to retire a large chunk of our Russian jets in the near and near-distant future. The Mig 21s, then Bisons, and finally the 27s and 29s. We will only be having MKI and PAK FA and both are most likely to be integrated with ASTRA by then. The logistics problem will be the same if we select non Russian aircraft for MRCA, how many Mirages do we have 60 ? and suppose we buy 200 Rafales that still only makes 260 planes with European weapons and the rest would still have to have Russian stuff.

This is why I have a strong conviction that we are going for European and Israeli weaponary even if we select the American types.

And thank you so much for the links 🙂

Asraam is British, not Israeli. Made by MBDA in the UK.

Did i say it is not, I just said we can also look at Israeli missiles. Jeez don’t jump on me for anything and everything you scare me 🙁

The USA has backed off with regards to the F 35 stipulations, when Britain began to talk strong.

If things do go wrong:-

Well we could start by Banning LM,Boeing and other American companies involved from military and commerical sales in India. That would put the back by several billions there then. Well that would just be a start. :). Then we can go the Chinese way by making Indian copies of the aircraft, engine and radar built in India or exported from Russia. So don’t think we are easy push overs for anybody.

Btw do you know that the opposition which is likely to come to power in India after the elections have stated that India will make its own domestic legislation banning return of fuel and reactor components if America fall to full fill its obligations with regards to the Nuke Deal. So they will pay for it as well if they use it as leverage.

I do not think it will come to this my friend. India is going to be more important to America in a strategic way than both Britain an Turkey in the coming decades. And the opposite is true as well.

It is likely to cost less.

Not very likely. with Rafale getting AESA and possibly new engines etc.

I think that India should decide how its MMRCA be used rather than the legislature or head of state of the country that supplied it.

I don’t think we would agree to any such stipulations if we select an American model. More than that India now has considerable leverage in its relationship with America, America do need India as much as we need them, In the past it has never been the case. 🙂

Oh, such innocence!

You don’t get it, do you?

It doesn’t matter what India “take[s]”. Once India has bought US weapons, it’s stuck. LM & Boeing do – because they have to – what they’re told by the US govt. & Congress. If that includes not allowing India access to what it needs to integrate weapons of its choice, so be it. Refusing to “take” it is like refusing to “take” a bullet. Your refusal has no effect.

You can refuse to buy US-built aircraft unless the terms are to your liking, but I suspect that means not buying your favourite aircraft. The best terms available fall into what you call “unfair demands”.

And then, once you’ve signed up, the fun begins. It doesn’t matter what agreements are made, the USA can (& sometimes does) renege on them. Congress does not feel itself bound by any agreement made by the administration, & can (& sometimes does) block things that have been agreed. A new administration does not feel itself bound by agreements made by the previous administration, & sometimes refuses to abide by them. That’s what happened to the UK, with JSF. We had an agreement with the Clinton administration, but it ran into trouble after Bush was elected – and Congress has also been obstructive.

We are talking about near-full ToT here and moving the production line to India. Once the aircraft have been delivered, with the ToT we would be able to do maintenance etc. We would just need to stock some additional engines may be if we run into trouble with the administration.

Yes I think we will not buy the aircraft if the terms are not to our liking. With American economy in disarray, the impetus is on them to give us a good deal. We have many other options so its a win-win situation as far as India is concerned. And Because of this I think LM and Boeing will be pushing the Admin to squeeze out every bit of ToT they can get us.

🙂

If MIG was providing the Upgrade kits, May be the Bison standard ? If HAL got the deal it certainly must have been secretive, the media goes into a frenzy whenever HAL gets foriegn orders !

thats not what you claimed. you claimed that the IAF already has chosen ASRAAMs for the Mirage upgrade and that the F-16 could use it as well to maximize commonality, whereas for all you know, the IAF may ask for AIM-9Xs with JHMCS if it chooses the F-16IN..you’re purely speculating and using a rather spurious Wikipedia entry as proof, when no such deal exists.

So let me put it this way, that there is a great chance of ASRAAM being chosen as a part of the Mirage 2000 upgrade deal. JHMCS will also work with the ASRAAM. The British Litenings are going to be armed with ASRAAMs not AIM 9x. The Aussie Hornets are already using the same combo.

http://defence.gov.au/news/raafnews/editions/4912/topstories/story6.htm

aah..you contradict yourself..if tiny procurement is almost the same as non-procurement, then the F-16IN itself suffers from that..the USAF under no circumstance is going to order brand new F-16s upto the IN standard, are they?

I’m pretty sure that the Gripen NG will secure some export orders even if it doesn’t in India, probably in numbers, almost on par with the export orders for F-16 Block 60s.

F 16 IN if selected will probably have more sales in India than the Gripen NG has around the world.

not necessarily..I’m sure most of the IAF guys who’re very familiar with the Mirage-2000 sing its praises, as will I.

So are the PAF guys and USAF guys familiar with the Falcon. You were talking about people like you and me who may share a different view.