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  • in reply to: Russian Navy Thread 2. #2010097
    nastle
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    flashback to cold war 80s
    the soviet navy kept the obsolete Kresta I and Kynda class cruisers with their aging SSN-3b shaddock missiles operational until the late 80s, while a lot of the older ECHO class subs had either been retired or converted the much more capable bazalt and vulkan missiles.
    I’m assuming the Kynda and Kresta I were kept in service as they could be useful in a big nuclear war at sea ? as they each carried 2 TNW in their SSN-3 missiles ? apart from this role I see no benefit in using the conventional SSN-3b when much better missiles like SSN-9/7/12 are plentiful on other surface ships and subs ?
    any thoughts

    nastle
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    Let me add
    Su 15 flagon to the list too

    Mig 19 and lightning were basically overtaken by more advanced planes
    But in lightning the big disappointment was no BVR weapons And poor load carrying capacity
    Mig 19 has poor weapon carrying ability
    No radar and limited ability for upgrades

    in reply to: Quality vs. Quantity of Weapons in War #2133163
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    In the context of big war even if of a short duration it’s better to have numbers esp if there is a ground war at the same time

    Lean hard hitting small forces are more for savage wars of peace

    in reply to: Quality vs. Quantity of Weapons in War #2133165
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    There are examples on both sides:

    M4 vs Tiger in WW2 = Numbers won but poor maint & tactics played a large role

    Multiple battles in Vietnam = Tech won

    ME vs Israel in multiple conflicts = Tech won

    M60/M1 vs T-5x/6x/7x in Iraq = Tech won

    In Vietnam US also had quantity +tech
    In 1982 Israel also had quantity+ tech vs Syria
    In Iraq there are other overwhelming advantages in the US side

    nastle
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    over hyped

    mig29. everyone was like, f16 killer. but it was only good at being killed. even other russian jets shot it down
    atdx. all the media is like.. japanese stealth fighter. its too small and cant carry weapons
    pakfa. look at the russian and pakfa threads here. it is hysterical! they go off about how its superior to f-35 and j-20 and everything. get angry when people point out its flaws like its engine and straight inlets. but then among themselves they basically say “So when will we get a new engine and new back half”

    My list
    F 101
    BAC LIghtning
    Mig 19

    nastle
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    over hyped

    mig29. everyone was like, f16 killer. but it was only good at being killed. even other russian jets shot it down
    atdx. all the media is like.. japanese stealth fighter. its too small and cant carry weapons
    pakfa. look at the russian and pakfa threads here. it is hysterical! they go off about how its superior to f-35 and j-20 and everything. get angry when people point out its flaws like its engine and straight inlets. but then among themselves they basically say “So when will we get a new engine and new back half”

    IMHO soviet design philosophy cannot be compared to western ones nor are their doctrines mirror images of one another
    Cold war era soviet fighter designers did not care how their products performed in the export market what they wanted was weapons that would fit their unique operational requirements of PVO and VVS
    There have been no large scale air campaigns involving mig 29 or 25 so cannot determine their effectiveness.Even the mig 23 mostly export versions of 73 war era was up against numerically superior and advanced IDAF operating in a very favorable environment.

    in reply to: Sea sparrow effectiveness #2136136
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    Makes sense , there has been no major fleet engagement involving a huge air sea battle since 70s closest we get is the Arab Israeli wars and that involved all small craft and one sided use in the Falklands.
    Was this CIWS vs sea skimmers ever used for military simulation ?or is this classified

    in reply to: Sea sparrow effectiveness #2136258
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    Was there more benefit against antiship missiles in using the layered system of defences as the Kara and udaloy classes did ?

    in reply to: Sea sparrow effectiveness #2136259
    nastle
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    How effective was the CIWS and gatling guns mounted on soviet ships against sea skimmers like Harpoon ?

    in reply to: Sea sparrow effectiveness #2136602
    nastle
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    Thank you for the explanation

    in reply to: Sea sparrow effectiveness #2136919
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    So if that’s the case how were the pre AEGIS destroyers expected to defend themselves from cruise missile and aircraft attacks? They would ‘ve easily overwhelmed by numbers and given the soviet missiles were big even 1 hit might sink the ship.
    I remember USS stark got 2 hits still remained afloat

    in reply to: Sea sparrow effectiveness #2137297
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    So I’m other words at a given time these ships can target only 2 incoming threats using sea sparrows?

    in reply to: Sea sparrow effectiveness #2137661
    nastle
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    Thanks for correcting me
    So the sea sparrow mk 29 launcher can target and guide how many missiles at a given time ?

    in reply to: Kfir/Mirge III/50 vs Mig-23MS/MF/ML in the 80s #2149075
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    Bump

    in reply to: Mk 29 Sea sparrow #1786641
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    Yes it did. It depended on the number of Mk 91 firecontrol assets. Some aircraft carriers mounted two Mk 91 for one Mk 29.

    I’m more interested in its use on destroyers , did they have several mk 91 too ?

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