Fort I don’t think I need to elaborate on (naval S-300 basically), Uragan typically uses 4-6 director radars and each can engage several targets.
Osa engages one target per system, though it can fire both missiles at, and often times a ship would have several complexes for close in defense.Older systems like Shtorm could guide two missiles at one target, per complex. At most a ship would have two of these large complexes.
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If you can spare a few moments more can you please clarify if the sea sparrow in the 80s the Mk 29 launcher can engage multipe targets at the same time ?
The 3K95 “Kinzhal” (Russian: Кинжал – dagger) is the naval version of the Tor missile system developed by Altair and has the NATO reporting name SA-N-9 Gauntlet. Using the same 9M330 missile as the land based version, the system can be mounted on vessels displacing over 800 tonnes and is known to be installed on Admiral Kuznetsov class aircraft carriers, Kirov class multimission cruisers, Udaloy class anti-submarine destroyers and Neustrashimy class frigates. The naval version of the later Tor-M1 is known as the “Yozh” (Russian: Ёж – hedgehog), while the export version of the Kinzhal is known as “Klinok” (Russian: Клинок – blade).
Despite starting testing earlier than its terrestrial counterpart, the naval variant, Kinzhal, had a more protracted development.[2] After an extended testing period using a Project 1124 Grisha class corvette (including the engagement and destruction of four P-5 Pyatyorka (SSC-1a Shaddock) anti-ship missiles in 1986[46]) Kinzhal finally entered service in 1989.
Stored within rotary VLS modules, the missiles are clustered into launchers comprising three to six modules (32 (Neustrashimy), 64 (Udaloy) or 192 (Kuznetsov, Kirov) missiles) and mounted flush to the deck. Each module has up to eight missiles stored ready to fire; during firing the missile is cold launched using a gas catapult before the launcher brings the next round to a firing position.[47]
SA-N-9 firing from the Kirov class cruiser Frunze.
Fire control (FC) is handled by the 3R95 multi-channel FC system, (NATO reporting name Cross Swords), composed of two different radar sets, a G-band target acquisition radar (maximum detection range 45 km/28 mi,[47]) and a K-band target engagement radar, (maximum tracking range 15 km/9 mi[citation needed]) that handles the actual prosecution of a target.Using two top mounted, mechanically scanned, parabolic target acquisition radars, the fire control system provides a 360 degree field of view, as well as IFF. The target engagement radar is a Passive electronically scanned array antenna of the reflection type mounted on the front of the fire control system with a 60 degree field of view.[46] Much like its land based sibling, the target engagement radar can track and guide eight missiles on up to four targets at once and is effective to a range of 1.5–12 km and an altitude of 10–6000 m.[47] The system has a reaction time of 8–24 seconds[citation needed], depending on the mode of operation, and is managed by a crew of 13.[47] Additional missile guidance antennae can be seen around the fire control system and the 3K95, like the upgraded Tor launchers, is equipped with a secondary infrared guidance system. The 3R95 can also provide fire control information for the vessels AK-630 close in weapons systems (CIWS) providing a second line of defence should anything penetrate the missile layer.[46
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Just like this system which can direct missiles at multiple targets , can the other systems too ?
It is also a matter of simply having service life left in an aircraft, if you start retiring a/c before their useful service life is over, you soon either go bankrupt trying to buy all newest & hottest, or run short of airframes. Soviet MiG-21bis production ended in 1977? With 20-year service life it means they were good for mid-90s.
Right esp since the Mig-21 with 4 x R-60 and 2 K-13 had a nasty bite by late 80s standard
MiG-21s could still be found in a few regiments in the mid-late 80s, but most of the fleet had already been replaced in the 70s.
Most were gone by 1990. Back in those days the Soviet Air Force was massive. MiG-29 were mainly deployed in the West, and were not enough to replace MiG-21/23.
In the link below you can find a summary of the VVS and PVO regiments, together with the aircraft they operated.
http://www.ww2.dk/new/air%20force/regiment/iap/iap.htm
In the mid-late 80s the following regiments were still equipped with MiG-21s:
– 18th Guards Vitebskiy twice Red Banner order of Suvorov Fighter-Bomber Aviation Regiment
– 27th Guards Vyborgskiy Red Banner Fighter Aviation Regimen
– 104th Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 15th Guards Orshanskiy orders of Kutuzov and Aleksandr Nevskiy Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 145th Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 159th Guards Novorossiyskiy Red Banner order of Suvorov Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 927th Kenigsbergskiy Red Banner order of Aleksandr Nevskiy Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 192nd order of Kutuzov Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 308th Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO
– 343rd Instructor Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 15th Pomeranskiy order of Bogdan Khmelnitskiy Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 582nd Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 582nd Fighter Aviation RegimentNote that not all were equipped with MiG-21bis.
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I think one reason why Mig-21bis may be in service along with other later versions is that they could be used as point defence interceptors in Eastern Europe where distances were not too much and lack of BVR was not a huge disadvantage.NATO had several aircraft with F-5A and Mirage 5 in service as well
MiG-21s could still be found in a few regiments in the mid-late 80s, but most of the fleet had already been replaced in the 70s.
Most were gone by 1990. Back in those days the Soviet Air Force was massive. MiG-29 were mainly deployed in the West, and were not enough to replace MiG-21/23.
In the link below you can find a summary of the VVS and PVO regiments, together with the aircraft they operated.
http://www.ww2.dk/new/air%20force/regiment/iap/iap.htm
In the mid-late 80s the following regiments were still equipped with MiG-21s:
– 18th Guards Vitebskiy twice Red Banner order of Suvorov Fighter-Bomber Aviation Regiment
– 27th Guards Vyborgskiy Red Banner Fighter Aviation Regimen
– 104th Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 15th Guards Orshanskiy orders of Kutuzov and Aleksandr Nevskiy Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 145th Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 159th Guards Novorossiyskiy Red Banner order of Suvorov Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 927th Kenigsbergskiy Red Banner order of Aleksandr Nevskiy Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 192nd order of Kutuzov Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 308th Fighter Aviation Regiment PVO
– 343rd Instructor Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 15th Pomeranskiy order of Bogdan Khmelnitskiy Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 582nd Fighter Aviation Regiment
– 582nd Fighter Aviation RegimentNote that not all were equipped with MiG-21bis.
Thanks a lot !
I think one reason why Mig-21bis may be in service along with other later versions is that they could be used as point defence interceptors in Eastern Europe where distances were not too much and lack of BVR was not a huge disadvantage.NATO had several AF with F-5A and Mirage 5 in service as well
Video from 1990 showing Japanese P-3C launching Harpoon.
Video description.
See table on page 53 of following book.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=isbn:019829137X
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Not quote so, when the F-4F was imtroduced it was well known that it wouldn’t be a viable long term solution, though it became one in the end. The F-4F was regarded as a stop gap solution by the time it was introduced and its planned service time was 15 years. The Luftwaffe requirement was for a new fighter to enter service in the timeframe between 1990 and 1994. This however was in the 1970s. In the 80s this shifted further to the right and by the time the Eurofighter development contract was signed the targeted entry into service was 1999.
The F-4F fully replaced the F-104G in the airdefence role, the RF-4E replaced it in the reconnaisance role, while the Tornado IDS replaced it in the tactical and strategic attack and strike roles. Complementary there was the Alpha Jet which replaced the G.91 in the attack/CAS roles.
Why did the F-4F not equipped with AIM-7 esp given the fact that the Mig-23MF/ML had BVR weapons and in the 80s
And in the process they would assure that a) the German military aerospace industry got killed and b) the Luftwaffe would be facing the might of the entire Soviet Frontal Air Force with a AIM-9L/MK82/Maverick/”day only” fast jet force.
but the germans did not have the ADV version tornado F2 anyway and their F-4F were AIM-9 armed also
how sophisticated was the F-16 A/B in the 80s ? was the Mig-23 ML/MLD dangerous opponents ?
when were the Japanese navy P-3 were equipped for ASuW and with Harpoons ?
This may appear like a contradiction, once the escort ships would be capable to shoot down the ASCM by SAM( Surface Air Missiles) and most likely by jamming the active radar seekers from ASCM, so it should make more sense those escort ships were classified as priority targets, after all it first missions should be eliminates the air defenses from the enemy, in sequence to reach the mains targets from adversary.
However each ASCM has been launched against an escort vessel would be also one less against an Aircraft Carriers or transports ships, beyond that the escort vessels should be a lot more difficult targets to hit in reason that are: smaller, faster and maneuverable in general than Aircraft Carriers and transports.
But the more important aspect from escort vessels that it has been equipped for long time with ECM and chaffs launchers, as well the air defenses in layers, or in this case of short range air defenses( SAM, CIWS) would be quite effective against large missiles as ASCM that could be fired directly against the escort vessels
thanks again for the replies
regarding the use of AS 4 and AS 6 against escorts I completely agree with the logic ( atleast in the 70s and 80s ) when most of the destroyers and frigates did not carry AEGIS system or nuclear tomahawaks ( atleast not the allied navy ships , US might have)
but lets say in the 80s its a flotilla of japanease destroyers ( 4 or so) armed with sea sparrow and CIWS for defence and no air cover ( no AEGIS) , they are tracked and attacked by a regiment of Tu-16 Badger G or backfire B each with 1 AS-4/6.Dont you think launching 10 missiles against every ship will be sufficient to saturate its defences ? plus these are big birds so even one hit will cripple an escort easily
One fired at the USS Wainwright by Iranians was successfully lured away by chaff. That’s about as close to a direct answer as I can provide.
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WHat I meant was that some ASM are built for combat specifically in littorals like the sweedish RB40, komoron and penguin but the Harpoon seems like built more for blue water naval battles so was wondering how effective it was in the clutter
during the 80s it was said that the mig-31 can launch 4 missiles at 4 different targets so lets say 4 mig-31s are intercepting 2 attackers or fighter-bombers , can they launch 8 missiles at every target maximizing the chances of a hit ? since the SARH missiles had such a poor hit rate
( please consider this a 80s scenario with the basic R-33 model)
thanks everyone for the pics and videos 😉
Germans should have just saved a lot of money and got the F-16A/B and C/D back in the 80s and they would have saved cost and still be operating a modernized version of it
I’m not sure the J-6 here is referred to PLAAF Q-5, which is based on J-6 ( mig-19), even now, the Q-5 is active in PLAAF service as the dedicated CAS platform.
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No that’s an entirely new design and dedicated CAS/strike plane and quite honestly for the price a pretty decent option
I have seen PAF A-5 with 2 x sidewinders , 2 small rocket pods and 4 x 550 lb pounders plus 2 drop tanks not bad for a 80s era plane