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    Actually France was the ones who discovered the Falklands before it became British. Lets say France holds onto this territory and in the 80s Argentina decides to take it away from France.

    The french respond by trying to take it back. would they have done it better?

    in this scenario, because Argentine-French relations are not good
    they don’t have mirages and super entendards, but the EE Lightning and Buccaneer instead

    why not harriers ? will they not give the crusaders and etendard a tough fight ?
    What about argentinians F-5E operating from the mainland ?
    How are the French logistics ?
    Do the argentinains have Sea Eagles or other ASM ?

    nastle
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    Bizarre thread.

    Sov Navy in 82 did have oilers and stores support for prolonged deployment. Enough to keep an expeditionary force for several weeks off the Falkland Islands though?. Wouldn’t have thought so.

    SSNs could have isolated the islands from surface traffic and kept the Arg Navy in port….applying the contrivance that both navies would have stayed the same as in the real timeline despite massively different strategic and tactical pressures.

    The suggestion that the Rogov’s may have embarked enough ground combat power to take the islands is a bit optimistic though. Oddly enough the Sov TF wouldve likely been caught out by many of the same issues that the RN were. There was no local organic naval AEW. The Sov naval area SAM of the day had a min alt high enough for the FAA to fly well underneath and even the main point defence SAM was, supposedly, ineffective below 150ft in the early models. Argentine strikefighters flying the very-low alt profiles they did could have enjoyed very similar successes to that they found against RN units.
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    The soviet navy ships all had pretty strong Close defence Gatling gun armaments which could be used against aircraft equipped with dumb munitions
    Were the Tupelov “moss” AWACS be of any use ? although suitable bases for them would be problematic

    in reply to: R-73 missile (AA-11) stocks by 1990 #1787606
    nastle
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    which fighter types exactly? in 1990 the r-73 could be carried by su-27, mig-29 and 500-1000 of modernized mig-23mld. So total of roughly 2000 fighters was capable of carrying it, with usual loadout configuration of 2 per mig23, 4 per mig29 and 2/4 per flanker. Roughly some 7000 missiles would have been needed if half the mentioned fleet had the operational chance to use two full loads.

    I’ve no numbers on r-73 production but if it was anything close to US production of sidewinder, it should’ve been at least 1500 per year, once full serial production was commenced.

    I was thinking mostly Mig-23, when was the R-73 accepted for full scale production?

    nastle
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    It seems to me that there are one or two elephants in the room. One is the idea that The Soviets would have wade big smoking holes in Argentina. The Iron Hen could have chosen to abolish BA in a neuclear flash and did not for many good reasons some of which would have pressed upon the Soviets. Also the Soviet navy was huge but that doesn’t put them all in the south atlantic. The Royal navy had the advantage of being able to send over the Atlantic and say “look we’re busy, would you handle out NATO stuff for a while?” Vast as the Soviet navy was did it have the capacity to carry out on operation of this kind and still credibly confront NATO?

    They only need to send a small force maybe the equivalent of the Baltic fleet , plus the Military balance is maintained more by the nukes at sea.The diversion of a fleet for a month or so will not precipitate a NATO attack

    in reply to: Amazing Weapons Loads – Yak-38 Forger #2163501
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    i have an uncle who was in the navy in the 80s and he said that the IN really considered the yak-38 when they got the Viraat, but they went with the Sea Harrier because of the engine problems in warm areas. but he said that when it did work, the yak-38 was better than the sea harrier in a number of areas and also much cheaper to get. India was very serious.
    but again engine problem and positive war experience in Argentina, favored harrier.

    interesting , in what ways was yak-38 better ?

    nastle
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    What would the soviet navy task force comprise of ? and what role would these ships be expected to perform ?

    The Argentinian navy has no subs so the ASW ships would largely be there to provide AAW cover point defence against Anti-ship missiles ( the Kresta II /Kara had several gatling guns) and possibly fire-support for landings ( like Grishca, Kresta II, Kara etc)
    The helicopter carriers like Moskva may assist indeployment of soviet marines and also from the LST ROpoucha/Alligator and Ivan rugov classes
    The ASuw threat from argentinain navy is also minimal as they had largely outdated destroyers not equipped with cruise missiles
    The biggest threat is AAW and all major soviet warships are well equipped with SAMs
    The soviet SSN will likely enforce a blockade of the argentian home ports and maybe keep all the major units in port

    in reply to: Su-24 in anti-shipping role during the 70s/80s #2166599
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    After all the long range aviation from VVS and AVMF that were equipped with Tu 22 Blinder, Tu 22M2/3 Backfire, Tu 16K Badger had been designed to strike sea targets or ships in blue water as well far way from its air bases or the Soviet territory.

    The Su 24M has had another capability over the Tu 22M2/3 once the Su 24M has been equipped with refueling probes that has been forbidden for the Tu 22M3 even today.

    Once with its in-fly refueling capability the Su 24M could reach almost the same range of the Tu 22M2/3, but instead to strike sea targets in blue waters as the long range aviation, the Su 24M were highly suitable to strike sea targets in brown water or near of the shore ,as well close the harbors where the air defenses assets would be quite active

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    Do you think the missiles carried by Tu-22 Backfire and Badgers AS-4 and AS-6 kingfish and Kitchen could be used against naval targets like destroyers ? approx. 3000-5000 tonne ? or were these targets too small for these missiles ?

    in reply to: Military use of ANtonov aircraft #2168898
    nastle
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    Peru An-32 carrying a torpedo

    http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/909/P6BquE.jpg

    cool pic thanks !

    in reply to: Su-24 in anti-shipping role during the 70s/80s #2169221
    nastle
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    ^ Thank you very much for the detailed reply

    in reply to: Military use of ANtonov aircraft #2169242
    nastle
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    Can any of these planes carry rocket pods/bombs on underwing pylons ? Has it ever been tried ?

    in reply to: Military use of ANtonov aircraft #2171413
    nastle
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    http://imageshack.com/a/img911/2669/xJuZZH.jpg
    http://imageshack.com/a/img913/8436/2cETqN.jpg

    AN-26

    Thanks look really hippie

    in reply to: Military use of ANtonov aircraft #2171749
    nastle
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    Nice ! thanks guys
    does anyone have pics of these planes with bombs and rockets loaded on improvised racks ?

    in reply to: Kresta II, Kara ,Udaloy classes anti-ship capabilities #2019762
    nastle
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    Nah, just in the initial study….

    http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-84.html

    The Harpoon missile is powered by a Teledyne/CAE J402 turbojet in an A/B44G-1 propulsion section, giving it a maximum range of about 185 km (100 nm) for the air-launched version. For surface launches, RGM/UGM-84 variants use a solid-fueled rocket booster in an A/B44G-2 or -3 booster section, which is discarded after burn-out. Maximum range for surface launches is around 140 km (75 nm). After launch, the missile is guided towards the target location as determined by the launching aircraft or ship by a three-axis Attitude Reference Assembly (ATA) in an AN/DSQ-44 guidance section. The ATA is less accurate than a full-fledged inertial system, but good enough for Harpoon’s range

    But here it says its 75nm…im so confused

    in reply to: Amazing Weapons Loads – Yak-38 Forger #2172584
    nastle
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    Can the Yak-38 carry the Kh-25 AS-10/12 Karen or AS-7 Kerry missiles ?

    in reply to: Su-24 in anti-shipping role during the 70s/80s #2172597
    nastle
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    Laser or TV guided munitions that can be guided by a person. Laze the target from standoff distances, launch the missile, then guide it in. I’d say an attack helicopter could even do it too with something like Vikhrs.

    But that’s my conjecture based on capability. I generally don’t know the actual plan.
    What did the attack plans you saw say the attack profiles or missions were? Sharing that would be a help.

    I didn’t , but it seems like that the enormous number of Su-24 available to the VVS a fair number of them could be diverted to anti-ship missions esp against those vessels not equipped with SAMs

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