Production of the MiG-23B / BN established in Moscow, the plant “Banner of Labor” (“Знамя Труда”)

thanks

the rest of the numbers in post # 17 look ok to you

http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4…zdadim-vmeste/

“23-11” – 3
MiG-23S – 59
MiG-23 – 98
MiG-23M – 1353
MiG-23MS – 196 or 179
MiG-23MF – 184 or 278

MiG-23M+MiG-23MS+MiG-23MF=1810

MiG-23P – 321
MiG-23ML – 750
MiG-23MLA – 1100
MiG-23MLD – ?

Znamya Truda Plant (Moscow) – 4,278 pieces
Plant Irkutsk – 769 pieces

I’m sorry to bother you again but I have having trouble with these figures

lets add them one final time, I have tried to summarize your previous posts

1353 MiG-23M+ 179 MiG-23MS+ 278 MiG-23MF=1810

321 Mig-23P +750 Mig-23ML + 1100 Mig-23MLA

= 3,981 these are all fighter versions from Znamya Truda plant

Production of the MiG-23UB in Irkutsk reached 100 pieces per year. Total released 1008 MiG-23UB

623 MiG-23B/BN ( I’m assuming also at Irkutsk plant?)

So total Mig-23 of all variants ( not including Mig-27 ) was = 5,612 from years 1969-1984

Does this seem correct to you ?

Agreed but in terms of missile armament, agility , performance isn’t su15 more similar to f104 than f4 ?

To stick to the point, both POV fighters were developed in the late 50s to carry two big AAMs against less manouverable bombers/ similar recce-ac or high flyers. .

indeed but a lot of tactical strike planes in the 60s to mid-late 70s were high flyers too esp with non-NATO states on border of USSR , so they can be used again them too in a pinch if needed …fair to say ?

Paralay I think we in the west underestimated the threat of mig-23 in the early 80s , it seems like that almost 1800 of just the fighter version of mig-23M/ML/MLA were operational by 1985 ! Is that fair to say ?

MiG-23M (ed. “23-11M”), produced from 1973 to 1976
According to book Polish authors, was issued 750 MiG-23ML(23-12),of which-third went on exports.In turn,the plant Banner of Labor officially indicates that it produced 1100 aircraft modification MLA(23-12A) in 1977-1983 years, and separates them from ML.

I have heard from 1975-1980 mig-23 was produced at a rate of 400 aircraft per yr is that accurate ?
I have the book ” Military balance of 1980-1981″ which lists as 600 mig-23 with PVO and 1000 mig-23M with VVS , not sure how accurate these numbers are
can you verify this ? thanks again

Even running into a striker by luck only. They had no head-on capability nor a weapon to down something close to the lawn.

so in the 80s both of them are completely obsolete but in the 70s they had some relevance as some NATO tactical aircraft did operate in the medium altitude realm

Both were day/night interceptors with AAMs against high flying bombers or similar recce birds. They had no look-down and shoot-down capabilty.

for the most part they were guided by GCI radars
against the contemporary strike aircraft when they are laden with fuel and ordanance (like jaguar, buccanear , f-105, A-7, F-100 )
they would not be able to intercept them at all ?

I was under the impression that yak-28P had decent low level performance