Yep, at this rate we’ll all be dead, buried, turned to dust before the last of these files gets released.

Under the circumstances, rightly so. I think it would be fair to suspend our discussion on this thread until the morning at least.

I would go further and suggest that the thread be locked until the two official campaigns decide it is time to continue, which will probably be Monday.

The reasons for around half of the citizens of the EU wanting to no longer be a part of the EU are many and complex but ultimately it boils down to you can’t please everyone for all of the time and the nationalist elements in all the member states use that to their advantage.

The perceived reasons in most countries seem to be (in no particular order); economics, immigration, reduced power of national governments, identity.

On the first one there is the mantra of not getting out what we put in, well when something is for the ‘greater good’ it is either someone pays in more or we simply drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Yes, we end up propping up some economies which should have failed but that would lead to even worse things happening so it is better for us all to provide that lifejacket, I could reference Greece here but the UK has not really contributed to that debacle, though we did decide to prop Ireland up as seeing our closest neighbour go under could have lead to some problems for us. I have to say could because they didn’t go under so we will never actually know what would have happened.

Second, without immigration soon most western economies are going to be in trouble as our aging populations start to shuffle off leaving fewer and fewer to keep the lights on. Also having people from many backgrounds and cultures about is a good thing, it helps to educate those who might develop small minded nationalist feelings that we are all human beings on the planet together and there shouldn’t be any us and them.

Third, it gives us all another set of people to complain about. If we really don’t like some legislation perhaps we should do what some states are reported to do, which is simply ignore EU legislation when it suits them. Whether that is true or not we cannot be sure as at last check the Daily Flail was not a reliable source of information. Also there is a scrutiny process within the EU with legislation having to pass through various stages before it becomes law, to an extent it probably receives more scrutiny than our own legislation (minister dreams it up, Commons debate, unelected Lords amend/block, Commons overrules and it’s law anyway) and definitely more than the rubber stamp exercises that are Statutory Instruments.

Fourth, it’s not the middle ages anymore and banging on about identity is what nationalists do to justify their small mindedness.

Just in case you’d not worked it out I am putting an X in the remain box.

I don’t know what but something says that might be newer than the 1940s, to me it is neatly stamped text most wartime plates I have seen will also have the drawing number in the same hand done manner as the serial. I could be wrong but it looks that way to me.

They are Bristol Mercury engines, and the undercarriage parts are from a Blenheim, I am fairly sure it may have been raised on here somewhere a long time ago and someone gave an identity for the aircraft they came from.

I used DeoxC a few years ago and it worked well, I had a plastic bin in the garden with a whole can dissolved into water in it and kept chucking parts in until it stopped working. I’ve never tried electrolysis but would probably give it a go if I had a lot of steel to treat as the deox didn’t deal with that much before it was spent.

For me it was Wogan + booze * Eurovision = hilarious night. No other reason existed to watch that annual car crash.

Sky 957 to watch it now, it is not the first item.