Flight No.2, that would be nice to see 🙂
Yes the weather for this week isn’t what you would call excellent is it.
Certainly does look that way.
Nice of no-one to contact any of the UK based groups who actually have experience of recovering aircraft, after all the one trick pony hasn’t yet found that elusive Electra (probably in tiny pieces in a few miles of water). Lots of experience looking for aircraft yes, recovering, different question.
It would certainly be nice to be able to see it in person (rather than a photo) before it gets removed next year (unless that is a ploy to shift interest while they recover it).
To tell the truth I think if it was removed from the water/sand it will probably fall apart very quickly. After 65 years in shallow water occasionally being exposed to air it is not going to be in good condition. It also probably took quite a while to sink into the sand all the time being washed by the Irish Sea.
After all the A-26 we did in 04 looked good but really there wasn’t much good metal left, that is why the one is the photo is still there (minus engine and a few other bits). If we had attempted to lift it there would just be a big pile of bits.
The only plus side with a P-38 is it is a little smaller than an A-26.
Using babelfish (which is utterly useless) the only bit that actually describes the part is the first sentence. The literal translation is “A fuselage segment (engine cover) is auctioneered the famous Messerschmitt ME BF 109, rarely!”
I think you will get the jist of it.
The rest is about shipping conditions and who the seller will and won’t deal with and that by it now can be used by arrangement.
Basiclly there are 400 words of none related waffle.
As for the item, it looks like it came from a scrap yard, if it was a crash item the radiator / oil cooler air scoop wouldn’t be straight.
I have attached a pdf from the national archives which details copyright, there are two flow charts for Crown Copyright and Personal Copyright towards the end of the document.
Should help answer the questions.
Creaking Door, you are quite right the tail did come off in flight, it landed in the bog not far from the main site. It failed between frames 35 and 36 a couple of inchs forward of the spar to the tailplanes. It lost the tail planes and the turret on the way down but the tail oleo was on until impact.
The aircraft was not recognisable as a Lancaster after the ground had finished with it, the state of the engines was almost purely down to the ground conditions being extremely soft allowing a comparatively slow decel. Think of the Hurricane remains at the RAFM in the BoB hall.
I have not yet watched the program since I was in Scotland last night and stupidly BBC Scotland didn’t show the program (they had Landward, Contury File for Scotland, and much better than Country File to be honest) but I had it recorded at home so will watch it soon.
I think the National Archives might be interested in that collection of reports since they have a not against the whole of 1944 saying they are missing and since they are a public record they are meant to be deposited with the National Archives after a maximum or 30 years though if Brune’s latest idea gets through ti may only be a decade or so.
A rumour reported on another forum (I think it was TVOCs) was possibly 2pm but not confirmed and it is nearly too late for me to get there now, I don’t fancy a 200 mile round trip on a rumour.
Is there to be another flight today? I hope so.
At what point does another flight (today now) become impossible to achieve due to broken vehicles?
Great to see her fly again.
So if flight 2 is tomorrow, what time? Brunty is a good couple of hours drive but that doesn’t matter.
There are some nice people out there, here is a photo I took of it earlier in the summer.
Here are some photos I took at the crash site of P5090 in July 2004, compare the last photo Elliott put on (of the more complete wing minus fabric) with an almost identical one I took (4th image).
The information that SPVA-JCCC collect is kept on file but is not released to other individuals / groups.
Also the detail required on the form for documenting finds is not that great and the timescale they allow for return of the form rarely allows for proper cleaning let alone catalouging of parts. In recent digs I have taken part in within a few weeks a letter has arrived demanding the finds form be submitted.
Neil, you should be aware of just how large a task cleaning parts is so they are identifiable and that while it is easy to get 20 people for a dig try getting that number every weekend for however long it takes to clean everything.
The typical dig will yield maybe just a handful of items worth recording on the finds form + x lbs of misc scrap. The last dig we did had 1 reduction gear, 1 oxygen bottle, 2 propellor spigots, a section of engine bearer, half a dozen valves, a counter weight and about 150lb of misc engine fragments, mainly casing but some through bolts and cam shaft fragments and bits of alloy.
It took a lot of effort just to clean that lot but it has only been recorded by photograph so far.
We’ve already had this discussion ad nausium:mad: .
Garry, members of BAAC have suggested such a list in meetings (I know I have been at them) and there are some problems. Who goes first. Who has access. What exactly is on the list. Some members are better than others at recording but you try writing up over 350 site visits (not digs, just visits like your average walker does:eek: ) and you’ll soon lose sight of the objective:confused: .
Also most groups are fairly inactive now doing just the odd site investigation or recovery so almost all of your wish list falls into the deep and distant past with old age memory loss for more than a few.
Yes there were engines as cargo, it wasn’t a Super C-54.