Alan ClarkWhat was your max depth, I have know fighters down to 15ft (for the engine) are fairly common. The only proper dive in Spitfire I have helped dig was about 12-14ft to the limit of engine wreckage but the breaches of the cannons were at 8ft so the muzzles were at about 16ft.
Alan ClarkWhat is that excavator doing in the photo of engine, looks like it’s about to fall into the hole.
Alan ClarkI visited U534 a few times after she was moved to Birkenhead (don’t let a scouser catch you describing there as Liverpool:diablo: ) and although the interior was not what you could describe as good it is what you would have expected for 50 years on the bottom.
There was talk about at the weekend and apparently the new owners are not prepared to let people inside because the HSE man says so:mad: . Who cares what they say, they only come up with these silly ideas to justify their existance. So that is where the cut it up plan came from, it may be cut into sections with plexiglass placed over the ends (can’t see that lasting too long at Woodside or Seacombe) to allow people to view the inside ‘safely’.
Can’t wait for a thin post cut up section to fall over and squash the HSE man:dev2: .
Alan ClarkThanks everyone for the identification of the part.
I had just received an e-mail with the part numbers that are on it but not necessary now.
Alan
Alan ClarkI had thought that RR is possible, having spotted the flange has the same stud pattern as some RR engines.
Just to give some background, this part was found while clearing a property in Derbyshire following a death and the former owner had been known for collecting all sorts of things.
Alan ClarkWhile there is a similarity to the Hamilcar there are two things saying no Freighter. 1st the nose section, the hamilcar has a much more pointed profile when viewed side on and 2nd the tail (already mentioned with possible explanation). While I could understand the overall dimensions of the tail being changed when engines were fitted the rudder would most likely have retained its original shape. That fin has a pronounced upward tapering rudder, just like a Bristol Freighter. There is a taper on the Hamilcar but nowhere near that of the Freighter
I have found a few photos on the net for comparison.
Bristol Freighter
http://www.defence.gov.au/raaf/raafmuseum/photo_album/bristol.htm
GAL Hamilcar
http://www.army.mod.uk/img/aac/hamilcar.gif (side on drawing, not a photo)
Alan ClarkGarry, i would agree with you about Whensoever in places.
I forgot to add North West Aircraft Wrecks, N. Wotherspoon (now who would that be? 🙂 ). Sorry I forgot with my earlier post Nick.
Alan ClarkHere is a list, adapted from my references list so no ISBN numbers.
Bedoyere, G. de la., Aviation Archaeology in Britain, Shire Publications Ltd, 2001.
Bedoyere, G. de la., Battle Over Britain, The Archaeology of the Air War, Tempus Publishing Ltd, 2000.
Boylan, M. S., A Moorlands Dedication, An account of the 40 military aircraft accidents in the Leek area of North Staffordshire during World War Two, William H. Beech, 1992.
Card, F., Whensoever, 50 years of the RAF Mountain Rescue Service 1943-1993, The Ernest Press, 1993.
Chorley, W. R., Royal Air Force Bomber Command Losses Volume 1, 1939-1940, Midland Counties Publications, 1992
Chorley, W. R., Royal Air Force Bomber Command Losses Volume 2, 1941, Midland Counties Publications, 1993.
Chorley, W. R., Royal Air Force Bomber Command Losses Volume 3, 1942, Midland Counties Publications, 1994.
Chorley, W. R., Royal Air Force Bomber Command Losses Volume 4, 1943, Midland Counties Publications, 1996.
Chorley, W. R., Royal Air Force Bomber Command Losses Volume 5, 1944, Midland Counties Publications, 1997.
Chorley, W. R., Royal Air Force Bomber Command Losses Volume 6, 1945, Midland Counties Publications, 1998.
Chorley, W. R., Royal Air Force Bomber Command Losses Volume 7, Operational Training Units 1940-1947, Midland Publishing, 2002.
Chorley, W. R., Royal Air Force Bomber Command Losses Volume 8, Heavy Conversion Units and Miscellaneous Units 1939-1947, Midland Publishing, 2003.
Collier, R., Dark Peak Aircraft Wrecks 2, Leo Cooper Ltd, 1998.
Collier, R. and Wilkinson R., Dark Peak Aircraft Wrecks 1, Leo Cooper Ltd, 1997.
Cummings, C., Final Landings, A Summary of RAF Aircraft Accidents and Combat Losses 1946 to 1949, Nimbus Publishing, 2001.
Cummings, C., Last Take Off, A Record of RAF Aircraft Losses 1950 to 1953, Nimbus Publishing, 2000.
Cummings, C., Lost To Service, Summary of Accidents to RAF Aircraft and Losses of Personnel, 1959-1996, Nimbus Publishing, 1997.
Cummings, C., The Price of Peace, A Catalogue of RAF Aircraft Losses Between VE-Day And The End of 1945, Nimbus Publishing, 2004.
Cummings, C., To Fly No More, RAF Aircraft Accidents and Write-offs 1954 to 1958, Nimbus Publishing, 1999.
Cunningham, P. J., Peakland Air Crashes, The South, Landmark Publishing Ltd, 2005.
Cunningham, P. J., Peakland Air Crashes, The Central Area, Landmark Publishing Ltd, 2006.
Cunningham, P. J., Peakland Air Crashes, The North, Landmark Publishing Ltd, 2006.
Doylerush, E., Fallen Eagles, A Guide to Aircraft Crashes in North-East & Mid-wales, Midland Counties Publications, 1993.
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Doylerush, E., No Landing Place Volume 2, More Tales of Aircraft Crashes in Snowdonia, Midland Publishing Ltd, 1999.
Doylerush, E., The Legend of Llandwrog, The story of an airfield and the birth of the RAF Mountain Rescue Service, Midland Counties Publications, 1994.
Earl, D. W., Hell on High Ground, A Guide to Aircraft Hill Crash Sites in the UK and Ireland, Airlife Publishing Ltd, 1995.
Earl, D. W., Hell on High Ground Volume 2, World War II Air Crash Sites, Airlife Publishing Ltd, 1999.
Finn, S., Lincolnshire Air War 1939-1945, Brayford Press Ltd, 1973.
Halley, J. J. M.B.E., Broken Wings, Post-War Royal Air Force Accidents, Air-Britain (Historians) Ltd, 1999.
Hill, T. R., Down in Wales, Visits to some wartime air crash sites, Gwasg Carreg Gwalch, 1994.
Hill, T. R., Down in Wales 2, Visits to more wartime crash sites, Gwasg Carreg Gwalch, 1996.
Hill, T. R., Final Descent, Air Crashes in Wales And The Borders, Leo Cooper Ltd, 1999.
Hurst, M. J., Air Crashes In The Lake District, Airlife Publishing Ltd, 1997.
Ingham, M., Air Force Memorials of Lincolnshire, Midland Publishing Ltd, 1995.
Mason, J. D., Circular Walks to Peak District Aircraft Wrecks, Happy walking International Ltd, 1998.
McLachlan, I. and Zorn, R. J., Eighth Air Force Bomber Stories, Patrick Stephens Ltd, 1992.
McNeill, R., Royal Air Force Coastal Command Losses of the Second World War, Volume 1, Aircraft and Crew Losses 1939-1941, Midland Publishing, 2003.
Merrill, J. N., White Peak Aircraft Wrecks Walks, Walk & Write Ltd, 2000 and 2004.
Morrin, S., The Day The Sky Fell Down, The Story of the Stockport Air Disaster, Stephen R. Morrin, 1998.
Nesbit, R. C., Failed To Return, Mysteries of the Air 1939-1945, Patrick Stephens Ltd, 1988.
Poole, S., Rough Landing or Fatal Flight, A history of aircraft accidents on, over and around the Isle of Man, Amulree Publications, 1999.
Rankin, S., The Rhinns’ Forgotten Air Disaster, One Man’s Search For The Facts, Stranraer and District Local History Trust, 2002.
Roberts, W. J. L., Aircraft Crash Sites and the stories behind them, Brecon Beacons National Park Service, 1996.
Smith, D. J., High Ground Wrecks and Relics, Aircraft Hulks on the Mountains of the UK and Ireland, Midland Publishing Ltd, 1997.
Smith, P. J. C., Flying Bombs Over The Pennines, The story of the V-1 attack aimed at Manchester on December 24th 1944, Neil Richardson, 1988.
Webb, D. C., UK Flight Testing Accidents 1940-71, Air-Britain (Historians) Ltd, 2002.
Alan ClarkI put a books page on my web site, not complete, also Nick Wotherspoon put a list on his sites as well.
Some are better than others is all I can say. Ones to avoid Air Crashes in the Lake District and all versions of Peakland Air Crashes, one is inaccurate and the other written with a serious bias + some inaccuracies that would make most people laugh. I’ll let other contributors decide which is which.
Alan ClarkMore like a Bristol Freighter, early model without that elongated nose, probably mid to late 50s.
Where, not in France, that is a cricket pitch in the foreground (note the side screen with its slats removed and pavilion). I don’t think the french have ever got the idea of smacking a red ball.
Alan
Alan ClarkAnother sad day for UK avation, my condolences the all the families involved.
Alan ClarkA you sure it was the 21st Feb, the 602 Sqn ORB has the 20th.
I looked this one up recently at the National Archives in the 602 Sqn ORB and it was and Blair’s No.2 was Flt Lt Bennets (Red 2), Blair being Red 1.
Alan ClarkAfter that first accident 42-8001 was repaired (only being Cat. 3 damage) and allocate a W after its serial and was later involved in a mid-air collision near Ludlow 28/07/1944 where again the result was Cat. 3 damage.
Alan ClarkCould the officer on the left be Lt Gen Frank M. Andrews? There is certainly a likeness, though I can only find photos from directly in front for comparison. He is certainly AC or medical corps and a meeting between Leigh-Mallory and Andrews would be the sort of place that photo could have been taken.
Alan ClarkNo the MR was the Coastguarder version of the Avro 748 (not far off an ATP).
The other factor that killed the 146 and RJX programme was the fact that after 9/11 and the financial troubles in the year or so before and after two major 146 operators went bankrupt (Sebena and Swissair) their fleets went up for sale at a fraction of the cost of a new build equivilant making new production uneconomical.
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