There is also the matter of putting others in danger as has already been mentioned. Rob, you say you understand this aspect. Well, bear in mind that if you were given access to a radiation hazard area which by its definition is a non-publicly accessible area, you would have to be escorted by a member of staff. Are you happy to put them in danger? And what about all the other people who feel like you that they should be allowed to make decisions on the level of threat for themselves? If they are all given equal access, they will all only get one dose, but the member of staff will get repeated doses. Museums are responsible not only for public safety but also the safety of their staff and your selfish attitude puts them in serious danger. That is why you are not allowed to decide the risk for yourself, because the experts (and I’m not classing myself as one, before you say I’m arrogant) have already looked at all the factors and decided it is unsafe.
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Perhaps I should point out, that this has nothing to do with luminous dials. I might, or might not, want to be in the presence of a luminous dial, if I am presented with the facts.
But the decision should ultimately be mine.
Of course, if that decision endangers someone else, and that other body does not want to be endangered, and I require supervision, then my right is mitigated by the fact that supervision may not be available.
Please read all my posts and not the bits you want to read.
You are being somewhat melodramatic over the application of a little yellow sticker to an instrument panel…
No I’m not. The discussion is about whether or not I, as an adult member of the public, can visit areas of a museum where I might be at risk from a potential health hazard, and whether or not I have the right to determine whether or not the risk of visiting that area outweighs any benefit I might gain.
If it was just about yellow stickers we wouldn’t be having this conversation. They form part of the educational process which helps determine that risk. So I am in favour of them. Although, by the time I get to read them, it would probably be too late. The educational process should have been completed by then.
Please go back and read MY posts.
Bugger – so is suicide – I’m stuffed
Ahh, I’ve got it, let us remove all risk, by confiscating life from all who have it.
Sorted – I’m just off to top meself. As life is clearly against the law.
Well. Andy, I think we’re talking degrees and percentages really.
I don’t believe in Anarchy anymore than you do – but if we keep removing peoples decisions to assess risk for themselves we end up with a nation of couch potatoes – ahh but then being a couch potato is bad for you – so…….
Quite frankly I think you’re pissing in the wind on this one Rob. Your opinion simply doesn’t matter to those who are entrusted with your safety.
Clearly! And that’s what makes such laws ludicrous.
What makes you so sure that what decisions you take and actions you carry out “can’t possibly damage anyone other than me.” If you entered a cockpit and became contaminaed, you would then exit the cockpit and spread that contamination around a huge area. Your actions do not simply affect yourself, but can affect others. That is why health and safety legislation exists – to safeguard people against the actions of themselves and others which can put them and others in danger because they do not necessarily know, or think through, all the consequences of their actions.
Yes, I agree with that point, as I have just answered, above.
Perhaps I should point out, that this has nothing to do with luminous dials. I might, or might not, want to be in the presence of a luminous dial, if I am presented with the facts.
But the decision should ultimately be mine.
Of course, if that decision endangers someone else, and that other body does not want to be endangered, and I require supervision, then my right is mitigated by the fact that supervision may not be available.
No, not agreed at all.
So far you haven’t given one good reason why the law is wrong–other than you seemingly disagree with it.
The law is wrong because it removes my right to make an intelligent sensible decision based on my evaluation of the risk, when squared off against the potential benefits.
I’ve already covered this – whether that is a good enough reason for you I cannot say – but you nor anyone else, should have the right to make decisions on my behalf, when there might be a good reason for my making a contrary decision to what might seem sensible. If I want to make the decision to do something that can’t possibly damage anyone other than me physically, then that should remain my decision until such time as I am incapable of making decisions for myself.
Surely, this is common sense!
Wrong, I have evaluated the potential risk, and decided that wearing seat belts is definitely a good idea. I can see no positive life experience benefit in not wearing seat belts, either.
I think you’ve missed my point about making intelligent decisions made on the basis of education and intelligence.
Particularly when you know you’re telling the truth.
That’s not the issue – the issue is whether anyone has the right to limit my decisions on what I do with my life. How my decisions can be overruled by those who think they know what is best for me, regardless of whether or not I consider the risks acceptable when divided by the benefits that I might gain in terms of life exerience gained. That, to me, is the definition of frustration.
Perhaps it’s not what you say, but the way that you say it!
Thunder City should buy it, and have it turned into little Lightning models, and presented to their customers as a momento. A Lightning made from a Lightning.
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And Derbyshire. We had a radon detector in our living room a few years back. Apparently we’re outside the danger area.
Phew, glad to hear it. 🙂
I had to have an assessment made before I was allowed to buy a bungalow in St. Day, a few years ago. That too was deemed to be outside the risk area – even though St. Day was once considered a more important town than Truro – the biggest by a long way – in the latter part of the last, and early this, century.
Oh yes, St. Day was pretty much the centre of Tin Mining in Cornwall.
Well, I’m sorry if I’ve upset you, but that’s the facts whether you like it or not. Museums have to comply with the law and whether you believe the hazards or not is irrelevant. Just because you think you know better, doesn’t mean that you do!
Of course, no one here is blaming the museums. It is the law that is at fault. Agreed.
Just because you think you know better, doesn’t mean that you do!
but you patronising me personally, doesn’t help your case.