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Well it seems that the name of the game is multiple standards in front of the obvious.

We first had “M 1.8” thanks to a twisted ~ 1.200 mp/h.

Then “maneuvrability better than F-16” thanks to the A2G role.

Now we have “aircrafts are never used to their maximums”.

Why is that?

Let us guess…

Other fighters fly 0.4 faster, can turn tighter, sustain high g loads for longer, supercruise even with AAMs and external tanks, and of course what is valid for F-22 doesn’t apply in their case.

Weapons aren’t cleared at lower Mach than the absolute limits, aircrafts doesn’t reach these Machs to clear the weapons either.

WOW!

The operational F 35 will do 1.8 M:

On an air-to-air mission with a radius of 200 n miles, no external fuel tanks but the same missile load and a requirement to accelerate from Mach 0.8 to Mach 1.8 at 30,000 ft, the F-35 was shown coming second last. With a requirement involving the same acceleration and the aircraft tasked for a 600 n mile ‘out and back’ mission, Mazanowski said the F-35 was “nothing stellar but certainly not an underperformer in this category”.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=88277&highlight=35+TAC+Brawler So, the F 35 is with only 0.2M slower than EF/Rafale/Gripen, but only when these are clean. Withfull AAM load these can do ~ 1.8M, as the F 35. With fuel tanks (the combat configuration in “real” life), they will do less than the F 35.

It contradict your statement more than once

No, it doesn’t, because IRST usually works in 8-12 µm. Adding the 3-5 band will help them see in bad weather at shorer distances, while with long wave you see nothing.

And LESS performant in poor weather conditions for the obvious reasons you failed to prove wrong and are clearly explained to you in many forms, including this last one:

Wrong again. because DAS is supposed to work at short-to-medium range (~ 15 km around the F 35), it works in mid-band (the bad-weather-resistent-band, remember?)…:diablo:

As for all EODAS “capabilties” you are thinking of, appart for showing in youtube animations they are FAR from being a reality today, adding a visual channel to MIRAS is not the problem, making it less weather dependent is where Thales is focusing on and they have a good two technology cycles head lead on the USA.
NO PR braging and youtube movies here.

I can bet that what is shown to the public about the F 35 (not only in IR field) is far away from the real capabilities…

EOTS in NOT EODAS and there are similar systems to EODAS in Europe, even more advanced technologicaly, what matters is not the system it is the technology behind it.

Sure!

Do you need to be intellectually dishonest yourself for making a point stick?

Please compare a long-range/all-weather capability to a VMC limited system, mono-channel/mono-bandwidth to multi-channel/multi-bandwidth.

EOTS is a SIMPLIFIED version of SNIPER-XR which sole improvement over the SNIPER pod was Optical and software-based, it is mono-channel and mono-bandwidth, EOTS have even less capabilties than SNIPER-XR, all are VMC Limited.

You might not like the idea but IR technology relies on sensors, adding bandwidth give you increased range in adverse conditions and we know it since 1990, so Europe have been focusing on improving IR sensor all-weather performances since:

Latest, the French Minister of Defense launched the MASTRID programe to increase this very same capability of the DAMOCLED pod.

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/dga/votre_espace/presse/communiques/2009/plan_de_relance_etude_d_un_pod_de_designation_laser_de_nouvelle_generation

All-weather/long-range systems are already fieled in Europe, OLOSP on UAVs i.e SIDM, SDTI both in operation in Afganistan and NH-90.

NEXT:

Europe is more advanced in this field, now please FIND us a multi-bandwidth or Multi-color system in US inventory.

It’s all very well calling pple names and making inflamatory statments based on (what?) hearsay…

Dear LordAssap/Fonk/Sampaix/Dare2/Whatever (:diablo::p:D), glad to have you back! It’s been ~ 1/2 year and frankly we missed you… you bring the funny side to this forum

I don’t bother to reply to all this sh#t. Just to educate you: “adding bandwidth” won’t “give you increased range in adverse conditions”. The 8-12 µm band works for long range detection (detects friction heat of A/C skin) and it was pioneered by US on the AAS 42 IRST of the F 14D and it works on clear sky. Not only bad weather, but even a higher percentage of moisture in tha air afftecs it dramatically. OTOH. the 3-5 µn band sensor detects the hot exhaust of the engine (especially the AB) at much lower distances, but is less afected by bad weather. It has nothing to do with incresing the range, it just allows to detect on bad weather, albeit at a dramatically reduced range …

Read the bit about the UK being out of cash…thus Lend Lease being introduced…

The UK had already been bled white, contributing (and please note i said contributing in the original post as well…) to the US coming out of recession.

I thought that UK did buy weapons from US between sept 39-dec. 41 to fight the Germans. I find now that many in UK believe that it was to bail out US economy… I think that sometime anti-Americanism diminishes the IQ.

If the F35 really is the end of independent manufacture of European fighters, as you seemingly imply, is the “hatred” so irrational?

As far as trolls go you seem to take a delight in posting comment designed to try and irritate those who don’t agree with you, is that not a definition of trolling?

Let me correct you; it is tracking pretty close to revised budget and time.
If it was tracking to budget and time it would be in service.

As yet the program has not proven anything, PR releases aside; i hope it does because it unfortunately seems to be the only game in town for the next 20 years, whether that is in the best interests of nations other than the US is debatable imo at the moment.

Speaking as a Brit, when we’ve just finished paying off lead lease loans to the US dating from WWII, loans which contributed to pulling the US out of the recession it got itself and the rest of the World into in the ’30’s; i find your hectoring and boorish display of wealth waving rather tiresome.

Do you actually understand who owns the US Treasury bills you have been issuing like water flowing over Niagra?

Am i right in thinking that you stated elsewhere that you are an ex Brit who now resides / is a citizen of the US?

You have no clue about the Lend Lease in WW II. US gave UK for free weapons and military equipment worth ~ 430 billion $ in today $$. Only the material existent on British soil when the war ended and was needed by UK was “sold” to the British. I used the “” because it was sold with a huge discount (90% !)and the payments were echeloned until 2006:

Large quantities of goods were in Britain or in transit when Washington suddenly and unexpectedly terminated Lend-Lease on 2 September 1945. Britain needed to retain some of this equipment in the immediate post war period. As a result the Anglo-American loan came about. Lend-lease items retained were sold to Britain at the knockdown price of about 10 cents on the dollar giving an initial value of £1,075 million. Payment was to be stretched out over 50 years at 2% interest. [9] . The final payment of $83.3 million (£42.5 million) due on 31 December 2006 (repayment having been deferred on several occasions) was made on 29 December 2006

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So, yes US saved your poor asses during WWII.

BTW, I’m from (Eastern) Europe, not from US.

“Iran’s AWACS — along with other modern reconnaissance equipment including radars with a range of more than 1,000 kilometers — can track down any military moves around the Iranian borders, the report said.” :p

“Last month, Iran’s Air Force chief said the Islamic Republic has also launched the production line of radar-evading ‘stealth’ fighter jets. “:p