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    F-15SE is a concept only. Boeing needs to find a “sugar daddy” to pay for its development like UAE paid to develop the F-16 Block 60.

    Not quite:

    Jones says Boeing still plans to fly a Silent Eagle demonstrator in early to mid-2010 to show capability ahead of any international customer issuing a request for proposals. “International customers want low risk, and to see us test this before an RFP,” he says.

    in reply to: Gripen NG beats SU-35 in a2a #2444825
    aurcov
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    I meant Pierre M. Sprey. The man who conceived and shaped the F-16,
    and led the technical side of the US Air Force’s A-10.

    dunno who Sprey/Kopp is…

    Sprey did not conceived and shaped the F 16. Period.

    The general concept of F 16 was pioneered USAF Col. John Boyd. The main designer was Harry Hillaker. Sprey was just one of the members of Fighter Mafia.

    in reply to: Gripen NG beats SU-35 in a2a #2445066
    aurcov
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    Found it, page 29 http://www.cdi.org/pdfs/stevenson%20f-22%20brief.pdf

    Sprey takes a similar stand, and due to his profession, i take it he knows more then enough on “LPI”
    http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00197

    any member quoting Sprey/Kopp, should be banned for week …

    aurcov
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    2. F-35 will NEVER have a performance of a clean Viper. Not in this or your upcoming future lives.

    Can you name a LM (or companies that fusioned to made nowadays LM) fighter that was worst than the A/C it replaced? I’m all ears…

    aurcov
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    Below Mach 0,8 the drag of an empty ET is negliable, when the corner-speed is below Mach 0,8 always. 😉

    Really? One EFT and 6 x 500 lb (a moderate load for a Viper) impose a 0.4 M penalty and in your opinion this is negligeable?

    in reply to: Gripen NG beats SU-35 in a2a #2456793
    aurcov
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    Finally Gripen got it’s own “Joust”

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/06/03/327317/gripen-revives-war-of-words-over-norwegian-fighter-assessment.html

    Jacko, where are you? :diablo:

    6 to 1 ratio against the new SU-35 with R77 and R73, sounds pretty good.

    Of course any simulations should be taken with a few buckets of salt, but hey, if LM and Eurofighter can do sims then why not Saab?

    I would not be surprised if they turn out to be not too far from the truth… Combination of less than 0.1 m2 RCS, excellent MMI, data fusion, AESA, IRST, excellent data link, topped with Meteor and IRIS-T seems a deadly combination.

    Has anybody more detailed info on these simulations done by Saab?

    Why bother with an expensive Typhoon when you get such good ratios with Gripen?

    L

    :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
    Desperate and pathetic marketing stunt…

    aurcov
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    By the time of the potential purchase, Brazil and India will be producing much better RAM materials then the current american.
    The worse thing the F-35 will bring, is make the world react to the current american technology and advantage.

    No it is not!!!
    An aircraft having an internal weapons’ bay, is penalized by the extra weight of the structure, skin, and door mechanisms, which is hardly trivial, plus a slight shape compromise, from the aerodynamic ideal.
    This extra weight will be translated to the wing, which in turn is going to operate in higher A. Of course the drag in this case is less, but, this aircraft will have to carry its penalty, all the way to and back from the target(s), whistle a non stealth will be clean (real clean) half the way!

    That clean aircraft must survive the mission in the first place. And it chances are slimmer comapred to a clean, stealth aircraft.

    aurcov
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    So, a moderate load impose a penalty of 0.4 M and you tell me that it will be the same thing as cruising clean? I don’t undertstand.

    aurcov
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    A conventional fighter that cruises at 0.8 M will consumme more fuel than a F 22 or 35, not to mention the penalties in acceletation and maneuvrabilty.

    aurcov
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    A stealth fighter has to operate in the 20s or above. 😉

    You missed the point. The ~ 5G was because of the altitude, not because structural limit…

    aurcov
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    When a detailed look does show, it is not an big issue till Mach 0,8 or a striker in the cruise. Going supersonic does bring a clean F-16 to the same level.
    The best think is, when the ordonance is dropped, the F-16 is clean again, when a F-35 is stubby always. 😉
    The F-35 does have small advantages in design load conditions and some disadvantages, when the ordonance is dropped. As long as stealth is of prime importance it does not matter much, when not the F-35 is just the second best choise. See the SH about it, which is still procured.

    Small advatage? Are you kidding? A 0.4 M gap isn’t enough for you? Also, in the graph the F 16 was with only one EFT: how often an F 16 went in a strike mssion with one tank ???

    aurcov
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    You’re still confusing yourself with programme costs versus unit flyaway costs, especially if you are using vague sources which possibly includes payments which arn’t made to the prime contractor.

    Again, the flyaway price: 50-55 mil. $. Program unit price (incl. service, parts, training) 80 mil. And 80 mil. was from many sources.

    aurcov
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    Negative.

    The ~ 6 bn was for LM. The total cost was over 8 bn. The unit price wao ~ 80 mil: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1136361059607

    aurcov
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    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-300309-1.html

    You missed the altitude. The 9G was not for 15.000, of course.

    aurcov
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    No, thats the programme cost again, in the UAE’s case minus the $3 billion extra.

    Flyaway unit cost is the cost of the aircraft, roughly $25 million in the case of the F16E. Programme cost includes spares, training contracts, simulators, spare engines, support, ground based equipment etc and is usually 1.5 to 2x the cost of the aircraft itself, hence the price of roughly $50 million.

    A single spare engine will cost you $10 million or upwards.

    But the over-all cost of the UAE deal was ~ 8.5 bil. not 6.8. So the 50-55 mil. is flyaway price.

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