aurcovmakes me wonder on what planet you live!
Taiwan tried to persue nukes and were caught three times! The only thing that prevented Taiwan from getting nukes was american threatening to let PRC have its way with Taiwan. And don’t tell me that bull crap that Chang family isn’t totalitarian. NK wasn’t the first to have father son succession of power. Taiwan preceded it and frankly Taiwan democracy didn’t come until the 90s.
You compared NK with ROC on the basis of totalitarism, not on their pursuite for nukes, so try to show some logic, instead of jumping from on issue to another. And by the way, ROC before 1990 could be considered autoritarian at most, but not totalitarian
Yeah with all that and it’s still undisputable that SK can whip NK any time. Even with the fizzled nuke NK have no creditable defene against Sk which is better armed by several magitues.
No one argues that SK would eventually win a war with NK; however, a war, even victorious, would be a disaster for SK because Seoul (10,000,000 inhabitants and 50 % of the GDP) is so close to the DMZ.
aurcovROC during the 50s till 70s had a similar sized army, with less populatuion than NK and still managed to develope the economy at the same time.
Their commenality? They were both totalitarian regimes.
By ROC do you mean Taiwan? Because if you are comparing Taiwan with NK makes me wonder on what planet you live…
What Nk need now is an influx of foreign tech and funding so that it can jump start its economy and walk out of it’s communist past.
Dop you really think that NK (if some funding would be available) will invest in developing its economy?
What Nk need now is an influx of foreign tech and funding so that it can jump start its economy and walk out of it’s communist past.
Gee, glad to see that Kim still has some friends…
What defence burden of South Korea are you talking about?
Do SK need aegis systems to defend against NK? Do SK need F-15K? Do Sk need 1000km LACM or even a Sub fleet? Do SK need a helicopter carrier or new MBT that is generations ahead of anything NK could hope to field?
If SK want to waste money on Defense spending then so be it but don’t claim it to be because of NK threat. It is clearly not.
Let’s see…over 1.2 milion army… 10,000 artillery pieces and MRLSs positioned in caves, at less than 30 km from Seoul…every 4th round with chemical charges…100,000 in NK special forces…a nuclear program started when they did not left non-proliferation treaty…the only country that these days openly declares that it will use nuclear weapons…hmmm you are right, SKoreans must be paranoids 😀
aurcovShow me the Frolov Chakra…
So is not the Cobra anymore, now is Chakra :p
I wonder why moderators do tolerate double ids (Firebar/Mig 23MLD) and in general trolling
aurcovAlready existing missiles can do that: medium range such as AMRAAM or R 77 can do 30-36G and short range AIM 9X or Python 4-5 around 80 G
aurcovtesting a big clumsy 450KT weapon that needs a decade to weaponize for missile delivery and soaks up most of Pu239 inventory wouldnt have scared anyone.
testing a small, light low-KT weapon suitable for suitcase, car or tapeodong delivery sure worries the world a lot more. the phone lines to Peking must be buzzing with worried “friends” pleading with PRC for dirt on which clients the
NoKo regime has been entertaining…..Peking is going to extract a heavy price for “soothing and moderating” Kim now
in a good cop, bad cop routine.the rough talk of anti-dumping duties on chinese products, revaluatio of yuan
is history. its finely aged beef steak, milwaukee beer and foot massages for the
PRC ambassador in D.C. now ….and a allexpenses trip to Bellagio
Yeah sure, US must be so scared by the “mighty” NoK bomb that is giving China whatever aked… Let’s get serious…
The fact is that SK is held hostage by the 10,000 or so artilery pieces (with each 4th round carring chemical charge) placed at less then 30 km from Seoul. Without the threat of massive retaliation on SK, NoK would have been leveled is at the first sign of impertinence towards US.
It is this unfortunate geographical situation that imposed US some restraint, and it is SK and especially Japan that should be worried.
aurcovThis is an extremely delicate situation which there is no clear answer.
A 2000 JDAM directed in Kim’s ass
aurcovThe NK can blackmail Beijing for the usual food, fuel and arms. It’s a lot easier to dump a nuke on Beijing than it is on Tokyo for one thing, at least from Pyongyang’s perspective.
It would be the ultimate dumb thing, since it would alienate one of the few countries that still has some sympathy for NK.
aurcovOTOH there is plenty of work for Boeing/Raytheon/NorthropGrumman/BAE Systems North America for upgrading existing F 15.
There are 200 (C/D equivalent) in Japan, 170 C/D/S in S Arabia, some 50 C/D/I in Israel (not to mention some older A/B). In USAF some 180 C will remain operational for another decade while some 212 F 15 E will be operational until 2030.
The APG 63 (V)1 have alredy been ordered by Japan for retrofit, the 40 or so S Korean will be delivered with APOG 63 (V)1. Also, the AESA APG 63 (V)3 is to be retrofited in the ANG (probably on Cs received from active units as these ones will convert to F 22). Also the (V)3 will be on Singapore F 15T. An even advanced APG 63 (V)4 could be retrofited on the F 15E of USAF.
The ALQ 135 jamming systems and ALR 56 C is also planned for improving, at least in USAF/ANG based on the latest version of these two, mounted on the F 15K.
aurcovWhether it was COD or installment plan… the Russians are paying for it so it is paid for.
You have some problems with processing numbers. I’ll simplified it for you. USSR received 11.3 bln. From this amount, according with thier own promisses, they should have payed 2.5 bln. The rest was for free. Moreover after they forgot to pay for 45 years, 75 % of the debt was erased. Go it now, ?
The rest of the post is too biased to deserve an answer…
aurcovIf there was no Stalin, then I doubt the Soviets would have won alone. Without his industrialisation of the Soviet Union without farm boys knowing what a tractor looked like and how it worked, no amount of lend lease of obsolete material would have made a difference.
OTOH, without Stalin desastruos decisions (decapitating the the Red Army in the ’30, ignoring all evidence that Hitler will attack, dumb orders to resist at borders) the Germans would never reach the Moscow in the first place.
Do you think those 3,300 british aircraft arrived before December 41 or after? Especially taking into account Lend lease wasn’t actually extended to the Soviets till November. If the British sent Hurricanes in October 41 then that wasn’t part of Lend Lease. That was the British cascading material they no longer needed for their own defence they knew would be better used elsewhere
Most of the 4300 (not 3300, it was my mistake 3000 Hurricanes and 1300 Spitfires) arrived, of course after the date the Lend Lease was exeteded to USSR. Nevertheless some 1000 US and British fighters arrived in time to be used in the winter of 41-42. I doubt that in those days UK was “cascading material they no longer needed for their own defence”. Let’s be serious!
Regarding P-39s the Soviet Airforce was not really important during most of WWII. Communications and integration with the Army was not usually that good.
The P 39 wasn’t important? Give me a breake. Most of the Soviet top aces (Pokryshkin, Gulaev, Rechkalov) scored the largest share of their kills on P39 (see: http://www.acepilots.com/planes/soviet_p39_airacobra.html)
The air war was not very important in the east to the Soviets as they were not as effective at using it to support their army the way the Germans did.
No kidding! So USSR spent huge efforts to re-locate its factories and built some 70,000 planes durring the WWII (not to mention the 14,000 received from US and 4,300 from UK) just for fun…
Do a google on the Johnson Debt Default Act.
I did . And I find that :
In December 1941, President Roosevelt received a letter from Winston Churchill, the leader of Great Britain, stating that by June of that year England would no longer be able to pay for the supplies and arms the United States had been providing in the battle against Germany. In 1934, the Johnson Debt-Default Act had forbade the United States from trading with any warring nation except on cash terms. If England was to survive, a way around the Johnson Act had to be found.
Roosevelt devised a plan where the necessary supplies and equipment could be lent and leased to England. Using the analogy of lending a neighbor your garden hose if his house was on fire and thereby keeping the fire from spreading to your own house, he gained support for the concept. The Lend Lease bill (H.R. 1776) gave the president broad powers to “sell, transfer title to, exchange, lease, lend or otherwise dispose of” items to other countries if he decided they were not vital to national security. In so doing the United State became, as Roosevelt stated, “the great arsenal of democracy.”
At its peak the Lend Lease program assisted 38 countries and made $48 billion available. England received the largest share. After the war most of the debts were cancelled. Only about $8 billion was ever actually repaid and most of that came from England and France. The Soviet Union foreshadowed its Cold War hostility towards the United States by refusing to repay its portion
It reduced hardship, and was pivotal for Britains survival. It was also paid for.
I agree with the first statement. As for the second, from over 11 bln. given by US, according to the signed agreement, USSR should have payed 2.5 bln. for non-military items. They did not, until this very day. USSR (later Russia) reached an agreement with US to pay a small part, in order to qualify for loans from US banks.
So much of the western view is coloured by ex german generals that escaped to the west and wrote memoirs on how if they had just captured Moscow that somehow the soviet union would have fallen. When you hear it a lot you think it might be true. I doubt America or Britain would have rolled over and given up if Washington or London was in enemy hands.
Agreed, it already hepened in 1812 and Russia did not surreded.
aurcovI red something like 900km, which is a big advance compared with the current JASSM (370km).
aurcovAnyway, realistically, you’d see B-2 bombers taking these things out first with multiple standoff weapons, like JASSM (330+ km range), and soon-to-come JASSM-ER (930+ km range)!
Even the B 1 B and B 52 could do the job with JASSM-ER and ALCM.
aurcovThat’s a circular argument. If a US missile is cheaper because of the number ordered, then how expensive is a non-US missile ordered in the same numbers? Which is what it would be, with a big US order.
A non US missile ordered in large nuimbers by US? Don’t think so 😀
aurcovAT what great distance will Bars NO11M Mk3 detect/track a radiating AWACS (probly 35 msq rcs?) – 500 km?
No fighter could track anything at 500 km… By the way, you think that a fighter radar (Bars has a power of 8 kW) would match a AWACS radar (the power of E 3 radar is 1MW, that’s 1000 kW)?
That should give the Su 30s plenty of SA and enable them to use their advantages to the fullest extent – possibly direct passive attacks using Bisons/Baaz/even M2k?
Even if directed by Su 30, I fail to see how a Bison/Baaz/M2k would be undetected by an AWACS.
Detect AWACS ~ 400-500km, guide a couple of MKIs in passive mode to closer range and fire away 2-3 KS 172s !!
Yeah, sure…
Heh, heh a modified Su 30MKI with a Bars in the Tail sting would give ’em almost 360 deg coverage, even if it is at the expense of fuel, perhaps rig them to carry 2 drop tanks + array of missiles: 2 drop tanks, 1 brahmos (under fuselage), 2 KS 172s, 4 R77, 2 R73s
A Bars in a tail of a Su 30???? I think you don’t know you are talking about.
aurcovAsk yourselves: Did, or did not the Lend Lease programe change the outcome of the war ?
Lend Lease by itself? Of course, no.
As moast of us agree, the war was won on the eastern front, so ansver this question and you know if the Soviets won alone, or if they had help.
My opinion is that the Soviets were capable of winning alone.
It’s your opinion. WWII was won together by both Western Allies and USSR. I don’t see how only one of them would succed.
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