No I am not drunk you infant. The Raptor cannot do anything close to what the Eurofighter can at supersonic speed.

Just face it, you arrogant and big headed fools have been beaten, I know you arn’t used to that sort of thing but its true.

Sorry, for an instant I thought you speak seriously… :p

Guess who got to fly the Su-30MKI in 2005?

John Howard?

It doesn’t matter that russians or chinese don’t have a 5th gen plane flying. If lets say they did have 100 of those each, then USAF wouldn’t call for 380 raptors but would demand like 1000

. It would be more convinient that US wait for Russia or China to develop a 5 gen fighter and only after that to create one? As for numbers, the US fighter fleet decreased constantly in last decades.

I personally think that current 192 Raptos is FAR more than USAF will ever need. If you disagree, please explain for what purposes additional 200 Raptors would be necessary.

What really counts is the opinion of those who will use it-USAF. They made it clear that they want more. What you, POGO, or whoever belive is less relevant. USAF knows that they have a budget (as huge as it might appear it’s still finite) and they still wants more raptors, even if this would mean to retire all the F 15C, F 15E, F 117.

There are 183 F 22 ordered. Some 20-30 will be at Nellis for instructor training/tactics development, at Tyndal for pilot training, or Edwards for future system testing or attrition reserve. So there will be some 150-160 combat-coded. As a rule no one engages more than 1/2 of the asstes on one theater. So we are talking of some 75-80 F 22s. Could be too much for Iran of NK, but how about China? Could they clear the sky and in the same time eliminate dozens of Russian double digit SAMs?

Besides, on thing amazes me. There are interminable threads about future PAK-FA, Su 35 UBPRTZXEW, or whatever. How terrifiant they will be how they will wipe out the already obsolete F 22 with their dozens of Ks 172 or R 77 (put any letter you wish), engaging them at 500 km or more, after they detect it with their uberIRST or Irbis from 1000 km, accelerating and supercruising at 10 Mach…But I personally didn’t remark someane questioning the necesity of any future Russian fighter. Equally the PLAAF of Indian AF threads debates the MKK, J10 or MKI yet no one is asking why India needs 150 MKIs or China 300+ MKKs…OTOH, the Raptor is too expensive, there are too many of them, US need just two dozens or so.

Why would the Russians be going to low-RCS designs if anti-stealth technology is already out there?

Where?

The American government made some money with lend lease but did nothing to help defeat Hitler till hitler declared war on the US. That is a fact.

I was not talking about US Govt., but about American volonteers

never said they were… but they were fighting to stop hitler when the US was doing very little.

Without any doubt you have problems with logic. Let me reformulated in more simple terms. There were more US pilots than NZ pilots fighting the Germans in RAF before US officaly declared war to Germany.

What? It was important to you that more died than they managed to kill… Strange idea of yours… the purpose of war is not to die for your country… or in this case for someone elses… it is better to make the other guy die for his country.

Some could have died in accidents, don’t you think?

The entire war? Perhaps if you knew a bit more about the person I am talking about you’d realise who was making the stupid remark:

From what you posted, it results that he has 14 kills all over the war.

Absolutely. If they had not interfered all of Korea would have been communist in the early 50s. By now they would have moderated their communist ideals like Vietnam and China have, but instead the US has maintained a cold war front line mentality in the region… keeping a rat cornered all its life is not good for mental health… do you blame the rat or the mad scientist performing the experiments…

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There is one thing I wonder.. Why are you so eager to see thousands of Raptors being built even if there is absolutely no reason to have them? What exactly do you gain from all this? I mean, personally..

If you look carefully to my post you would see that i said “more raptors” not thousands. You may believe that there is abslotulely no reason, but hwo cares what do you belive? USAF leaders (i.e. generals, most of them fighter pilots with thousands of flying hours, many of them with combat experience) believe that they need 380 raptors. And you know what? I am inclined to believe them.

Secondly that artcile appears to date from 2000. That is prior to the fleet introduction of SeaRAM and ESSM.

As well as late models of Standard, not to mention CEC…

That is a very cheap phrase combined with a great a mount of wishful thinking.. The main American contribution in the WWII against Hitler was bombing civilian and military infrastructure and industry

So according to you the sole important US contribution in Europe was bombing Germany? That’s agood one. US represented 70 % of the troops on the ground that liberated France, Begium, Netherlands, Italy and occupied 2/3 of German territory. But again, don’t let some mundane things like facts to trouble your opinions

Fuel and pilots were what was really lacking.

Did it occur to you that those were lacking because:1)synthetic fuel plants in Germany as well as oilfields in Romania and Hungary were leveled by US bombing? 2) The Luftwaffe was decimated by the Mustangs?

All in all, USA had their large share of winning the WWII but such cheap statements like ‘America did saved the world’ are laughable..

It was a way of speaking. No one can deny that 2/3 of the Wermacht was destroyed by Soviet Union. OTOH what I said was:

…because I can’t see how Russia and England could have won by themselves.