aurcov2. Benelux F-16 fleet experienced high number of write-offs during the midair. Pilots reported having problems with orientation in close formations due to frameless construction of the canopy. This IS a design feature and basically CAN be *blamed* on manufacturer, even if its contribution is indirect.
3. Aircraft controls, F-16’s side-stick with minimum movement and pressure sensors is a feature that does not necessarily suit any pilot.. While the piloting itself is quite luxurious, the jock definitely does not *feel* the aircraft the way he would in F-18 Hornet. This IS another design feature which indirectly contributed to crashes and pilot’s mistakes. Can it be blamed on the design? Well, indirectly yes..
The “shortcomings” (sidestick and frameless canopy) are considered by many some of the best features of the Viper, since they provide excelent visibility and better high G sustainement. They are replicated on the F 22, too. However, I doubt that those can be the reason for midair collisions or crashes
aurcovWell my point aurcov is, that no matter why it is so, USA is the one making the embargo and there is no way to justify it, not in NKs case and definetly not in Cuban case. Have NK brought it to themselves? Did the jews brough the holocaust themselves when they were mostly upperclass bourgerous which upset certain persons in Germany???
War is war, embargo is embargo, killing is killing and wrong is wrong…justifyed? All justice and moral is dependant of those in power to distripute it…
Here we go again…US Govt. forbid US companies to do business with NK. The NK can buy/sell whatever they want from other countries. Hell, you can even invest in NK if you want!
Also, did it occur to you that this embargo has somthing to do with a certain attack in June 1950 and to some 35,000 Americans killed in the war that followed?
I am not arguing that imposing a embargo is unjust because a whole nation is made responsible for the mistakes of some few idiot leaders. But again, with or without US embargo, N. Koreans would still be starving. And this isn’t US fault.
aurcovthey are pleased, then why pay? That is illogical.. The problem comes out when they are not pleased…
You missed my point. I said that perhaps you think that USAF pilots (when praising the Raptor) are payed by LM.
What do you know about them? You only can speak for yourself
I wish I can speak about this, but I’m not American.
aurcovthey are pleased, then why pay? That is illogical.. The problem comes out when they are not pleased…
You missed my point. I said that perhaps you think that USAF pilots (when praising the Raptor) are payed by LM.
What do you know about them? You only can speak for yourself
I wish I can speak about this, but I’m not American.
aurcovLike the sanctions against Cuba?? Where every company dealing with Cuba is banned from US market for next following year…So If you shoot a person, it was his own fault that he died, nothing to do with the guy pulling the trigger…
…If we all live in denial like so many in here, world actually might be rather pleasent palce to live
Nice try.
Cuba is embargoed by US because Castro nationalized US assets. I am not saying that is fair, but this is not the point. NK is not in the same situation. China, for exemple is # 1 comercial partner of NK and US don’t forbid China to enter US market.
I am surry to upset you, but the present situation of NK is entirely due to its own leaders to its political system and not to some isolation imposed by US. I repeat, the ones that isolated NK form the rest of the world are the NK leaders.
aurcov1. The Su-35 and MiG-29 OVT can do cobra manouvres over a much larger flight envelope
Nope. Cobra can be done only at slow speeds. If you pull the stick at high speed you will have a very high pitch rate, but not a Cobra.
2. Their energy is still drained doing the turn.
3. Their energy is still drained doing the turn
So what? We are talking about close combat at high off-boresight anlgles. So what if the missile will lose energy? It is not obliged to travel 10 miles.
If your 1v1 WVR, you want to get your kill in ASAP, if you merge and overshoot, cobra, fire off the AAM and dive to regain KE. Meanwhile the other guy might have slaved to you off his helmet, but his missile is straining to cover the ground due to the hard turn off the rail, while your missile is arrowing in.
Nice scenario, but you ignore that the guy with the helmet would be the first to acquire its target. Also the guy that have just performmed the cobra is low on energy, and even a Su 30 with its fast acceleration, would require a good 10-15 seconds to regain speed.
I also have extreme doubts over the ability of IR systems to have a 360 deg field of coverage – sure you can point your helmet and fire the missile – but its only a cue – the enemy aircraft won’t be at the exact same spot by the time the seeker is in a position to pick it up, and how large is the seeker field? Too large and it will endanger possible friendly aircraft – too small and the baddie will evade.
The missiles that are suposed to have a 360 deg. coverage (PV and soon 9X) do not use visual lock-on, as if firing in the frontal hemisphere.
aurcovSo, if USAF pilots are pleased about F 22, and say it, they must be on LM paychecK?!
It’s a win-win for both sides and who the hell cares about taxpayers..
The US taxpayers are just fine
aurcovSo, care to explain us the differences between promotion and marketing?
Well, USAF (the organizer of NE 06) can promote its new toys to US congress, US taxpayers (there are photos with F 22 parked at Elmendorf AF and people taking photo). But USAF do not sell F 22. It is LM that do this. Now, anything LM would say when praising the Raptor could be interpreted as marketing.
An 83:1 ratio was accomplised with 25 F-15s and 7 F-22s.
Does that mean the F-15 can already kill everything in sight?
Lies, damn lies… and statistics.
Why lies? There is nowhere said wich plane (F 15 or F 22) performed the kill.
aurcovAren’t all american nukes for defence while a nuke in anyone elses hands is a threat to peace and stability in that region… unless the US gave them nukes of course.
The US retired its nukes from S Korea in 1991. So what danger is NK facing that is obliged to have nukes?
Can’t feed its own people because of economic and political isolation imposed by the US…
Pure BS! US can only forbid US companies make business with NK. Other countries could. So, NK is by no means “isolated” by US. It is isolated by its clown dictator.
Oh come on. This is ridiculous people. The US and the Commonwealth fought TOGETHER against the common enemies of the Axis powers
Correct but GarryB said that some NZ fought the Germans while US did nothig. Not only that this isn’t true, but in fact more US pilots were in RAF than NZ, and this before Pearl Harbor.
Johnny Checketts alone had 14 kills.
And Richard Bong had 40. What’s your point?
He can’t use his F-16s any more because the supplier is fickle. He is replacing them with a similar number of Su-30s. Get over it. ‘merica acts like he was a staunch ally turning to the dark side. He is just buying weapons from someone else! So what does big powerful last superpower left on earth do? Run squealing to the Russians to ask them to scrap the deal because they think venezuala don’t need new planes.
As many said here, US will sleep as confortable as before if Venezuela would have F 16 or Su 30.
aurcovThey obviously have no concept of the doppler effect and doppler notch then…
I don’t think that you are obliged to do a Cobra, in order to dissapear from a Doppler radar. You have to perform a deep dive, go as close to the ground as the FCS/your abilities allow you, and fly 90 deg. on the other guy, so to appear “imobile” on its radar.
As for close combat, cobra could be a last resource maneuver, but:
1. An ex-US Navy pilot flew a Su 27 with Kvochur at Ramenskoye and siad that the entrance speed was some 350 km/h (190 knots) and exit speed was 90 knots. A little slow 🙂 http://www.flightjournal.com/articles/su27/su27_5.asp
2. New missiles (9X, PIV, PV, Iris-T, and others) allow 90 deg. off boresight shots.
3. LOAL mode (implemented apparently to P V and soon to the 9X) provide a 360 deg. coverage. Why would you slow the plane if isn’t necessary?
aurcov1. F-22 IS available outside of the US.. Aussies, Canucks, Japs to mention a few.
F 22 isn’t available for export. As SOC said, some countries may be intersted. But the price, the sesitivity of the equipment, the fact that they will never be able to replace something as simple as a fuze, make this possiblity as remote as you becoming polite.
If you had at last some grey matter in the head, you’d know that marketing does not necessarily include only export.. Pushin the Congress to order more unit often requires more marketing tricks than export sales.. What about the often repeated phrase that the biggest enemy of the F-22 is US Congress?
That is called promotion not marketing.
aurcovDo we have the right to tell them they can’t have this or that… when the US has both. Can’t remember the last time NZ listened to a foreign power about how we organise our own defence. Why should NK be any different?
No. She’ll accept it is the right of NK to provide for its own defence. She certainly wont invade or bomb them.
Since when a nuke is related to defense? In NK case, nukes are for blackmailing western world in order to obtain food, fuel, recognition, something than a rotten regime can’t supply to its own people.
Commonwealth pilots just sat around doing nothing during the battle of britain while brave merica fought the nazis single handed. Johnny Checketts just died this year at his home in Christchurch was one of those worthless losers to have flown with the RNZAF. Funny the Brits didn’t share your low opinion of the RNZAF when they appointed him Wing Commander Tactics at the Central Fighter Establishment.
I never thought that anti-Americanism could go so far.
1. US did’nt take part in the battle of Britain simply because they were not in war with Germany at that moment;
2. even in thses conditions, US did help UK: P 40s, fuel, food, strategic metals, destroyers;
3. How many NZ pilots fought in RAF ranks? Because I can tell you that over 200 Amercian pilots volonteered in 3 “Eagle” squadrons and were fighting against the Germans under RAF colors before Pearl Harbors:
The first Eagle Squadron (No. 71) was formed in September 1940, and became operational for defensive duties on 5 February 1941.
The last Eagle Squadron was disbanded in September 1942, with most of the members transferring into the United States Army Air Forces. The three Eagle Squadrons were numbered 71, 121, and 133. Of the thousands that volunteered, 244 Americans served with the three Eagle Squadrons; 16 Britons acted as Squadron and Flight commanders.
Only during the Dieppe Raid all three Eagle Squadrons saw action operating together. From the time the first Eagle Squadron was formed in September 1940 until all three squadrons were disbanded and incorporated into the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) in September 1942, they claimed to have destroyed 73 1/2 German planes while 77 American and 5 British members were killed.
4. Do you dare to compare the US human losses in WW II in Europe to the NZ ones?????????
aurcovNow, let’s pass over these stupid attempt of diverting the thread from superb performances of the F 22 to dumb subjects like crappy little Swedish “fighters”, or anti-US slogans.
For those interested, the execrice has a complete coverage at: http://www.elmendorf.af.mil/ALCOM/NE06/news.htm.
Seventeen tankers and 12 total force units from around the country refuel more than one hundred jets daily over Alaskan skies during the states largest military training exercise this year.http://www.elmendorf.af.mil/ALCOM/NE06/newsreleases/release-tankers.htm
The Joint National Training Capability initiative took another step forward at exercise NORTHERN EDGE 06 June 5-16 as Pacific Command used Distributed Mission Operations to simulate a massive air and sea campaign in the Alaskan Area of Operations. For the first time, a tactical-level DMO event was conducted using the Pacific Air Operations Center at Hickam Air Force Base, Hawaii. http://www.elmendorf.af.mil/ALCOM/NE06/newsreleases/release06-06-10.htm
U.S. Strategic Command and the Air Force are among the government agencies testing the Dynamic Time Critical Warfighting Capability (DTCWC) platform against realistic threat systems here during Northern Edge 2006.
Designed to analyze intelligence and verify its potential accuracy, the DTCWC does so much faster than human analysis. The platform’s mission is to augment intelligence analysts, not replace them. Its mathematic calculations, designed by The Johns Hopkins University, take minutes instead of days or weeks to sort through data and send it back to command centers.
During Northern Edge, DTCWC located anti-aircraft enemy targets and sent the information to the Pacific Air Operations Center in Honolulu.
When Northern Edge pilots flying noticed the DTCWC threat system targets from the air, they wanted to supplement their training by fighting against targets that more closely replicate actual enemy threat systems.
B-2 Spirit bombers, F-22A Raptors, F-18 Hornets, F-16 Fighting Falcons, A-10 Thunderbolt II aircraft, and Navy ships with Tomahawk missiles participating in Northern Edge all tested DTCWC http://www.elmendorf.af.mil/ALCOM/NE06/newsreleases/release-intel.htm
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The Distributed Mission Operations Center at Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., is not the first place that comes to mind when one thinks of surface-to-air missiles targeting aircraft over the Gulf of Alaska.
But for pilots flying in exercise NORTHERN EDGE 06, the high-tech simulations broadcast from the center are creating an elaborate network of Integrated Enemy Air Defenses for them to negotiate while flying over the chilly waves of the Gulf and over the Pacific-Alaskan Range Complex.
In the past, Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation data gathered from pods aboard aircraft was replayed to aircrews after a mission primarily as a tool to instruct pilots after air-to-air engagements at exercises such as RED FLAG.
At NORTHERN EDGE 06 planners are, for the first time, taking ACMI data on aircraft position, speed, and vector from the Pacific Alaska Range Complex and the Gulf of Alaska and sending it to the Air Force Information Warfare Center at Lackland Air Force Base, Tex. to overlay onto a digital Integrated Air Defense System for post-mission analysis. The results are then briefed to fighter pilots training over those areas.
“What we’re doing at NORTHERN EDGE is merging two systems — the real flight information against completely simulated (virtual) integrated enemy air defenses,” explained Capt. d’Artagnan de Anda, the assistant director for operations at the 705th Exercise Control Squadron at Kirtland AFB.
“Fighter and bomber aircrews then find out whether they were tracked and engaged by enemy forces on the ground,” said Captain de Anda. “We’re able to provide a tactical training event without the expense of building a massive enemy air defense system for aircrews to evade.”
“The ability to practice against a large-scale enemy air defense was a request from the fighter community,” said Mr. Phil Harvey, operations research analyst and assistant project officer for NORTHERN EDGE 06 at the DMOC. “DMOC took the lead in gathering flight data and worked with AFIWC, Pacific Air Forces, and ACMI experts at Edwards Air Force Base and Elmendorf AFB, Alaska to bring this capability to fruition.”
“Operators will be surprised at the results,” he added. “Soon we’ll be able to replay missions on an ACMI system during debrief so aircrews can get even more views of their mission — their flightpath as it was seen by the enemy.” http://www.elmendorf.af.mil/ALCOM/NE06/newsreleases/release06-06-12.htm
During one training scenario, the Blue force faced a fleet of 32 Red jets – F-16 Fighting Falcons and F/A-18 Hornets – which regenerated several times each, providing the firepower of 103 “enemy” fighters. That’s a record number, according to Colonel Bergeson.
“I’m not sure if that’s official or not,” he said jokingly. “But it is the largest number of Red Air I’ve ever flown against, and it was unprecedented training for all the Blue Air forces.”
A team of seven F-22 Raptors and 24 F-15 Eagles took on the Red Air package in that scenario, accumulating 83 simulated “kills” with only one simulated Blue loss. Even with one Eagle lost, the Blue Air team was able to defeat its adversaries without regeneration of the jets, and without the simulation of a weapons reload.
Being the bad guy may seem easy, but planning for Red Air in every scenario can be very difficult. “Orchestrating that many jets and all those tactics quite often makes the Red Air side more challenging to manage than the Blue,” Colonel Bergeson said.
Playing the Red Air role is beneficial for the pilots, many of whom are assigned to the 18th Fighter Wing, Ohio Air National Guard, Toledo.
“Were playing the bad guys, of course, but it still benefits us because we have to coordinate as many as 40 aircraft in the air; that’s great experience for mission commanders,” said Maj. Rebecca Ohm, a pilot assigned to the 112th Fighter Squadron of the 180th FW.
As the exercise progresses, the Red forces raise the level of tactics and operations, ramping up to more difficult warfare scenarios. Each day, they seek to discover and exploit any weakness in the Blue force’s tactics – which are duly noted in the briefings held after the day’s flying has been completed.
The joint forces would not be able to advance their strategies without the level of support provided by the “enemy,” and the Red forces are doing a terrific job, according to Colonel Bergeson. “Our hats are certainly off to the Ohio [Air National] Guard guys who have acted as the package commanders.”
The Blue force pilots are likewise thankful for the aggressive training.
“Without great red-air support, we wouldn’t have the lessons learned to upgrade our tactics,” said Capt. James Akers, assigned to 27th Fighter Squadron of the 1st Air Wing, Langley AFB, Va. He’s the F-22A Raptor mission commander. “The other pilots did an excellent job of representing possible threats in the Asian-Pacific theater.” http://www.elmendorf.af.mil/ALCOM/NE06/newsreleases/release06-06-13-2.htm
Also, it seems that the Superhornets from VFA-41 (“Black Aces”) took part in the exercise. Maybe some of them were “killed” by Raptors as payback :p (http://www.elmendorf.af.mil/ALCOM/NE06/images/060606-F-7049H-001.jpg)
aurcovSure.. The whole world turns around marketing, only in arms business where instead of millions of dollars dozens of billions are being counted, there is no marketing at all.. Sean, I mean your posts are usually very intelligent.. How can you suddenly become so stupid to believe such nonsense?
Stupid remark, at least. The f 22 is not for sale outside US.
aurcovI’m not comparing the Gripen to the F-22 in that sense.
And for your information the Gripen walked all over the F-16’s and F-18’s. The F-18’s didn’t win a single encounter.
Here are some excerpts from Jane’s weekly defence magazine, February issue no 029.
During ACM the gripen outperformed the F-16’s and the F-18’s with BVR and WVR engagements. In fact, 1 gripen took out 4 F-18’s before the pilots even knew the gripen was in the area…
The gripen’s small body and consequent agility proved a great advantage during aerial dogfights. Despite a lowered thrust to weight ratio,with the aid of the gripen’s superior flight computers it was able to get behind the
F-16 everytime.Even though both aircraft could sustain 9g +
:p
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