A very good German language Austrian site on the Austrian Air Force. F16 C/D, Gripen, Super Hornet and Mirage 2000 were included in the evaluation, alongside Typhoon.
Link:
http://www.airpower.at/flugzeuge/beschaffungsstory.htm
In their forum, Georg Mader, Austrian Janes employee, describes that the 33 strong commission set up to select a type voted 4:1 in favour of Typhoon ahead of Gripen.
On actual export planes it is even 90 to 0. 😉 🙂 🙂 🙂
but nothing new! How many “payback” bucks the uk MoD promesed to reward into investissements?
The MoD won’t invest in Saudi-Arabia at all. BAE would. But you can be sure BAE will make a large profit from this deal, otherwise they wouldn’t have tried to get it.
anaway, with a baril around 75$, i don’t know where is the “winner” especially when all will be payed in oil!
Read the other articles. It is being payed cash apparently.
saudies are smart, very strange “no details” bid, enough to see alots of “source close to the deal” speaking in fanboyism UK press!
What about the official of the Saudi MoD?
reality is no ones knows if it 24 planes or 350, if it is 11 bilions or 4!
so eurofighter 2 non evaluated clients and 0 on 4 who evaluated it
The Austrians did evaluate the Typhoon, along with other modern combat aircraft [Gripen for example]. The Saudis had a choice and decided for Typhoon and it seems against Rafale. I don’t know their reasons so it might be pure politics like the French will argue, but it might be partly on technical merit and other reasons. Also saying that Rafale “won” against Typhoon on technical merit in some compeititons is risky to say the least. It seems the worst Typhoon problem has been its delivery time scale and cancellation fear and not technical capability. I’m wondering if your the troll called nungesserC on many other forums.
What a brilliantly argued comment. :rolleyes:
Well I can’t say I’m surprised. Just think of the 1.5 Billion Dollar AJT saga that took more than 15 [20 even?] years to decide. Don’t expect a 12+ billion dollar decision to take less time.
The unit price of the Hawk is astounding – very close to the delivery price of a F-16 Block 50! It is easy to see why the USAF has stuck with the updated T-38C – an aircraft which is more than capable of the advanced training needed for the F-22 and upcoming F-35.
The sad truth is that the Hawk is very close to the end of its production run and BAE Systems is deteremined to get out of the airframe manufacturing business. Buying British doesn’t save jobs in this case – it only extends them by a matter of months.
The UK would have been well advised to enter into the Eurotraining partnership, or even to have relegated training to the United States.
I doubt it. The Hawk production line is more or less sold out till about 2010-2011 with the UK, Indian and Bahraini orders. Then it (Hawk 128 and T45) is in contention for UAE, Saudi, Singapore, Brunei, Greece, Malaysia, Thailand, Israel and Indian Navy requirements which add up to about 250 aircraft, if they just win 30% (much less than in the past) then they’d have another 3-5 years of production to about 2013-2016. Also you are misinformed about BAe getting out of the airframe business. Actually they are starting a major expansion in Unmanned airframes. And about the price: The Indian (I’ll admit not a 128) Hawk costs about 15 Million Pounds. With the high US-Dollar exchange this is about 28 Million Dollars. This includes the cost of licence production for example. But of course they are not cheap. BTW the air force is being pushed by senate to look at T50 and T45 to replace the T38.
Personally, I was hoping for the M-346, or possibly the T-50 (it would have made a great aggressor aircraft for DACT), but in reality, the Hawk was the only politically acceptable choice. Much like the ill-advised Lynx purchase, it is another blind political decision, buying British instead of buying the best, which of course would have been built in the UK anyway.
I doubt a full licence manufacture for just 28 frames! Besides technologies developed for the 128 have filtered into BAe’s UAVs and potentially their new UCAV technology demonstrator. I think Hawk 128 was the only correct choice.
The EH101 is supposed to be a Sea King replacement, I’d like to see the following:
– 40-60 more EH101 to replace all RN/Army Sea Kings (including 12 for MASC!)
– 50 Future Lynx on top of the 80 on order
– 40 AW149 to replace the Pumas
– 30 more Chinooks with a FACO in Yeovil
Probably not affordable though. 🙁
Do you mean just changing the order or actually upgrading the existing aircraft? (don’t know if they have been delivered yet). The latter would be tremendously expensive, needing a new airframe. 😮
The AB139 is not the AW149. The AB139 has a MTOW of about 6t, the AW149 will have a MTOW of about 7.5 ts. The development is just starting for the AW149.
On another forum someone said Janes hinted at a completely new airframe for the AW149, with some tech of the AW139 inside it.
apparently millitary helicopter production is going to be focussed in the UK.
Anything more specific on that? Will the Italian EH101 production part be shifted to Yeovil?
I think sferrin meant Israel handing the tech to China NOT Europe giving it to China.
I hope Greece buys Typhoon, there is the chance of having a truly European combat aircraft. That’d be nice. Is there a chance of a split Typhoon/Rafale buy? I heard that on another forum, thought it would be very weird.
😎 Another example would be BAe and the Airbus sale.
On the other hand, you can easily find lots of compagnies that denied something one day and officially announced it the following week
Nice one! 😉 I guess I know which company you’re thinking of. 😀